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Old 11-27-2017, 06:39 AM   #1
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Portable Frontpage alternative for Linux, Mac and Windows?


Hello,

I am looking for a simple software, opensource, that would be capable to display/edit html in the maneer was doing Frontpage. Basically I would like to copy paste from Outlook to html (to save my docs). Libreoffice would work, but it takes ages/eternity to load into memory and to save.

Would you know any software?
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Old 11-27-2017, 11:18 AM   #2
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The starting point for such questions is here
http://linuxappfinder.com/alternativ...text=frontpage

The only one of their suggestions I know is Bluefish, which is quite good.
 
Old 11-27-2017, 03:08 PM   #3
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Just wondering...
I think I'd print to pdf maybe. Why do you need html?
 
Old 11-27-2017, 10:36 PM   #4
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I haven't found anything 'drag-and-drop' like frontpage. But if libreoffice takes so long, how much are you trying to paste?
 
Old 11-28-2017, 09:01 AM   #5
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I use eclipse. It will let you work in HTML code. (Not sure about design view/dragging and dropping, since I've never used it for that). It's pretty full-featured though.

https://www.eclipse.org

It works on Windows, Linux, and Mac OSX (Cocoa)
 
Old 12-14-2017, 02:08 PM   #6
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I haven't found anything 'drag-and-drop' like frontpage. But if libreoffice takes so long, how much are you trying to paste?
Libreoffice is actually the only possibility? It takes quite a lot of memory,and resource actually for just basic HTML. Maybe Dillo could be adapted to edit/paste HTML code in it to view?
 
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http://bluegriffon.org
 
Old 12-14-2017, 03:35 PM   #8
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Libreoffice is actually the only possibility? It takes quite a lot of memory,and resource actually for just basic HTML. Maybe Dillo could be adapted to edit/paste HTML code in it to view?
Serious my old penryn notebook, ASUS g70SG could handle it quite well. On a T9500 dual core 2.6gHZ? penryn with 4GiB RAM. Thats antique hardware.

Yes libreoffice needs also around 5 seconds to load on my SATA3 SSD on asus g75vw with i7-3610QM. But thats also aged hardware when you consider we are at 8xxx intel cpu's these days.

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use geany to edit any human readable code.

+ if you have frontpage license i am quite certain wine should be able to run it for you. Why look for an alternative when you can use frontpage itself!
 
Old 12-15-2017, 01:41 PM   #9
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Serious my old penryn notebook, ASUS g70SG could handle it quite well. On a T9500 dual core 2.6gHZ? penryn with 4GiB RAM. Thats antique hardware.

Yes libreoffice needs also around 5 seconds to load on my SATA3 SSD on asus g75vw with i7-3610QM. But thats also aged hardware when you consider we are at 8xxx intel cpu's these days.

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use geany to edit any human readable code.

+ if you have frontpage license i am quite certain wine should be able to run it for you. Why look for an alternative when you can use frontpage itself!

Libreoffice = nicht gut. Try to write a Ph.D. of 200 pages with it, with images. Good Luck
 
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Libreoffice = nicht gut. Try to write a Ph.D. of 200 pages with it, with images. Good Luck
Not sure what your issues are. I frequently have documents of well over 200 pages with images, and have zero problems with Libreoffice Write.

And your original issue of "Copy/paste from Outlook to HTML to save your docs" makes little sense. Jefro said you could just save them to PDF or even just PRINT them to PDF, and that works fine. Any editor like Anjuta, Kdevelop, eclipse, bluefish, or bluegriffon easily handles HTML. However, I think this post sums this thread up nicely:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...4/#post5689627
 
Old 12-15-2017, 02:02 PM   #11
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Not sure what your issues are. I frequently have documents of well over 200 pages with images, and have zero problems with Libreoffice Write.

And your original issue of "Copy/paste from Outlook to HTML to save your docs" makes little sense. Jefro said you could just save them to PDF or even just PRINT them to PDF, and that works fine. Any editor like Anjuta, Kdevelop, eclipse, bluefish, or bluegriffon easily handles HTML. However, I think this post sums this thread up nicely:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...4/#post5689627
On a Raspberry, it is too slow for anything like those high-level programmed sofwares
 
Old 12-15-2017, 07:19 PM   #12
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Sorry for beeing now off topic.

I'm a nerd on notebooks. I know that you can get a penryn notebook for around the same cash you spend on rasp 3 + oterh junk you need. For as low as 200 Euros you get even new hardware. I wrote an Autocad 2010 guide over 180 pages in libreoffice on asus g70sg.

I think you just want to troll us.

When you really write a PHD, you should use latex or something in this fashion. this is the thing to use for those PHD guys.

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I also have the habbit to first write the text and later do all the formating. So basically you could use anything basic.

You could also go back in time and use office 97 in wine. that should provide all you need with low requirements on hard and software.

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as said in the other topic

For central europe:

A new mainboard with cpu and acitve or passive cooling costs around 50 euros. Ram stick, not sure, 20 -30 euros? used vga tft = for free ( i grabbed around 4x vga monitors in past two years). old power supply, new ~40 euro? keyboard + mouse ? not sure 30 Euros. usb pen drive 5 Euro + linux

What I want to say rasperry pi is wasted money. only aspect is that it is new and kinda small, anything else it looses

and i assume everyone has some old computer parts or can source them. second hand market is also full with old working computers.

I also used a t4300 with intel gpu for several years. You can not tell me that gentoo linux + Asus k70 + libreoffice, thats very antique hardware is too slow for libreoffice. and that box had only 3GiB of RAM.

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I also assume that you do not use libreoffice in the right fashion. Like all those word guys.
you need to shrink images. You need to remove colours of images and such. you need to proper align em
just drop everything in wiht biggest resolution, and than resize it to the size of a stamp is the wrong way.
the word processor assume that you may want to enlarge it later

proper way

gimp => resize image, reduce quality => safe in pixel size which will be used 1 vs 1 in your document, than put it in the doucment

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it needs at least 10 years on how to learn to proper use ms word / libreoffice wiht a proper mindset

i get a lot of documents from others were you see that they did not crasped on how to work with computers, how to efficently safe your disk space.

every document were you waste space, is wasted space later on your backups and harddrive. it loads longer and such.

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I also assume you are one of the few guys who uses libreoffice and than hands out word files.

word file is shit data structure. takes 60 mb => pdf 1 MB => libreoffice ~ 3MB.

I used word and other software since ages, dating back to 286 computers. and guys do not work properly with that software too.

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You have no idea what slow is

A floppy drive is slow when you wait 5 minutes to safe a single document.
a 286 was slow when it took over 10-15 minutes to boot up windows
a pentium 120 was slow when you opened something and could go out for 10 minutes and come back and it may was done with it.

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as of 12 2017

any penryn notebook is fast enough for libreoffice when you run gentoo on it, and when it has 4gb of ram and a 120GB SSD.
That is hardware which is as of now 8 years old. which is sold around 70 euros without SSD. ssd costs new at amazon around 40-60 euros for 120GB

rasperri pi costs same and is shit hardware. it is to have fun, but not to get work done.

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when you need basic word processor, as you said phd, get an used pentium 4, use office 97, on windows xp. that has usb. you can drag and drop your pictures than from usb or the ethernet.
 
Old 12-16-2017, 08:18 AM   #13
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On a Raspberry, it is too slow for anything like those high-level programmed sofwares
....and you NEVER MENTIONED anything about the type of hardware you're using. So yes, a raspberry is too slow for such software...because those devices were NOT INTENDED to be used as desktop/laptop replacements. Want to run better software? Then get better hardware.

For someone writing a '200 page Ph.D.' (was called a 'dissertation' when I did mine), this should be fairly obvious. I'm going with what _roman_ and others have said; you appear to be trying to troll us in this (and several other) threads.

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Old 12-16-2017, 10:08 AM   #14
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You have no idea what slow is

A floppy drive is slow when you wait 5 minutes to safe a single document.
a 286 was slow when it took over 10-15 minutes to boot up windows
a pentium 120 was slow when you opened something and could go out for 10 minutes and come back and it may was done with it.
For office, Raspberry works well with FLTK. FLTK is a lib which aims to be efficient.

I know what you actually mean. I worked actively during this era of early PCs. This was actually slow sometimes.
I wrote a report of about 100 pages, and Word 95 or Word 97 took indeed several minutes to save a doc. Sometimes it could even take some 4-5 minutes for saving a report. Loading a picture eg. JPG, BMP, of few megabytes, took really a lot of time. This was slow indeed. Today, we are calling Slow then.

Have you still an old PC with Windows 3.1? Windows 3.1 was actually not that bad.

After Win 95 (16bits, 1 version) systems became slower and it required better hardware. Graphic cards started to be highly important.

It would be interesting to compare the perfs of a Playstation or Amiga 500 with the speed Raspberry.
I don't think that for retrogaming that Linux is the best solution. BSD is definitely faster. But, there should be more alternatives for ARMEL, but we haven't much more free opensource operating systems.

If we could run games on an Playstation, Amiga, Nintendo 16bits, 32bits and 64 bits, it should be today possible these games on a Raspberry Pi3, with adapted Software's
 
Old 12-20-2017, 12:22 PM   #15
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Sorry for being off topic again.

youtube => 8 bit guy => I think he uploaded a video which compares a rasperry pi amiga image VS real amiga and such. Kinda interesting for myself as I never owned amiga stuff. => some tech porn

edit: I had a pentium 120 with full 128MB of RAM. I was very proud to play some mp3 and write some school papers on a 6GiB harddrive with SUSE 6.2. I also had redhat on the other parition. MP3 was very demanding and a 486 with very high clocks at school was nearly maxed out with that.

I used that Pentium 120 when others had already pentium 3 or higher hardware. Windows 2000 did not even load on that box afaik. And I had my linux on it. Those darn floppies. 5 minutes to copy something over, and I had to do it several times. They were such unrelyable.

-- I do not mind slow boxes. But I hate intel gpus. even those hybrid graphics have microlags in windows 10. OFC this is not my windows 10 notebook, just a family members which I use sometimes when I visit that person.
-- without a proper gpu i get quite mad these days. For the operating system it should be kinda snappy, 3-5 seconds load times are fine.
-- gpu is needed for anything these days.

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Have you still an old PC with Windows 3.1? Windows 3.1 was actually not that bad.
I do have the parts. 486 mainboard, psu. pentium 120 mainboard. The issue is how do i transfer my data without USB. I have a pentium 3 - windows 2000 with a loose cable of the lvds. Too lazy to fix that for over 10 years? I have all my harddrives - i collected a few optical IDE drives. .-> these are my investmetn in the future, as retrogamers will need replacement and I have it. the market for 300GiB ide drives is also dead, very sad face ... Sadly no keyboard or mouse available for those old platforms, even when i wanted, i could not use it as of now
i do abuse the atx psus i have when i want to test some stuff. decent 12 V, 5V line to test electronics. just short a line and the output is set to active

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