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Old 07-22-2017, 03:16 AM   #1
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Original UNIX-Like Efficient Softwares (mtpaint, mtword, mtsheet, mtcalc,...)?


Hello,

Compared to KDE and GTK, Motif is not ugly at all. A person who born and used from the very first step MS Windows, it can be of course natural to have a desktop that look like MS.

Instead of making all the time Linux looking like MS, it would be great to take again this original idea of UNIX and to continue to support it.

There are few excellent programms using Open Lib Motif such as mtpaint, mtcalc (not the gtk of M. Tyler),... More should still come.

Which good sofwares close to original (mtpaint, mtword, mtsheet, mtcalc,...) do you know?
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Old 07-22-2017, 02:25 PM   #2
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There's certainly loads of window managers in linux. M$ actually made some goofy stuff, and you got used to it because there was no choice. Most of us now want to surpass it, not install imitations of it.
 
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There's certainly loads of window managers in linux. M$ actually made some goofy stuff, and you got used to it because there was no choice. Most of us now want to surpass it, not install imitations of it.
I think that MS once loaded in the memory is pretty good. I have tested the Win7 on i8 and it was actually faster, as fast as my main machine (running FreeBSD).

It wasnt that bad actually.

Mouse1 + alt was not available
 
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My memory of windows included '95 & '98. I eventually was foisted vista also - all the bad ones. You booted up, you ran it for some random period which usually terminated in a three fingered salute. Then the things would clog up with random crap, so that the best policy was to wipe clean & start over. They seem to have that sorted somewhat for vista, but iirc they still had 32bit code even in the 64 bit version.

I understand where you're coming from because I have an allergy to new interfaces, and high levels of integration (e.g. submenus in the start menu). I run XFCE, which advertises itself as a low cholesterol window manager.

Linux is so much sweeter. You can back up the system safe in the knowledge that if you restore, you won't be adding spyware back. And like all good things in life, it's free.
 
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I understand where you're coming from because I have an allergy to new interfaces, and high levels of integration (e.g. submenus in the start menu). I run XFCE, which advertises itself as a low cholesterol window manager.
I believe that using GTK and QT everywhere is a mistake. At least under Linux.

It is however OK to make QT under MS Windows since it is just DLLs added to compile with MinGW, Visual Studio / C++,...

The most surprising is that to compile a basic programme "hello world" you need a large installation of GTK.
In my opinion, it is not OK if you consider to port the project on Mac or MS Windows.
https://www.gtk.org/tutorial1.2/gtk_tut-2.html

MOTIF was, is and is getting unknown since young programmers forget Intrinsics and X11.
They want to go to Wayland, they want new libraries (which will be more heavy to install)...

- This is law of physics -

Are those few lines going to disappear due to large installation? C and C++ are no longer present in studies of informatics. Programmers start today with Java and C#, because the push from industry needing sofware developpers. C# is great: fast and easy to make a project under MS Windows. C# fits well the need of today the industry and daily software needs.

However, the lack of C and C++ programmers is still today present. Some companies like C++ because it is strongly portable, works, and it does not need too much complicated, expensive, installation.

Code:
#include <stdio.h> 
int main(){ printf("Hello Man"\n"); return 0;}
MOTIF gives almost no single interest, since it belongs to the past.

Shinny Desktops today rule.
 
Old 04-04-2019, 01:00 PM   #6
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There's a list of applications that work with LessTif: http://lesstif.sourceforge.net/apps.html
Don't think it's very up-to-date, but still an interesting place to start if you still want to run Motif compatible applications.
One alternative to mtpaint might be xpaint: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sf-xpaint/
It's based on X11 and doesn't use GTK or Qt.
I've been investigating lightweight GUI/screen library alternatives. For instance, SDL is very portable and will work on X11 systems, on Wayland or even on Android devices. If an application is written portably using SDL, it will work on all those systems without needing any major code changes. OpenGL is another interesting option. Some form of OpenGL is available on a variety of platforms. nano-x might also be of interest. It works on several platforms and offers some API compatibility with X11 (using the nx11 library) and Win32. There's also a port of TinyGL (an OpenGL subset) that works with nano-x. If you're interested in lightweight or portable applications, you may want to take a look at what's been designed to work with alternative or lighter GUI libraries. For instance, grafx2 or lodepaint might make interesting options for a paint program. They don't look like the KDE or GTK alternatives. There's always console and command line options too. graphicsmagick and imagemagick are great command line utilities for graphics manipulation.
I'm always looking for new and useful lightweight applications that do their job well. I'm compiling a growing list of them. If anyone would like to compare notes on other options to some of the more commonly used KDE or GTK based programs out there, I'd enjoy discussing the topic further.
 
  


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