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View Poll Results: Multiple choice: When would you install LibreOffice or OpenOffice?
LibreOffice Most of the Time 44 72.13%
OpenOffice Most of the Time 4 6.56%
LibreOffice if Windows 18 29.51%
OpenOffice if Windows 4 6.56%
LibreOffice if MacOS 11 18.03%
OpenOffice if MacOS 1 1.64%
LibreOffice if Linux 27 44.26%
OpenOffice if Linux 3 4.92%
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Old 11-09-2017, 05:55 AM   #31
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Note there are 2 different Wikipedia pages for OpenOffice, one is for the original discontinued OO and one is for Apache OO https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice

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BTW wps is free
Um not really have you read the license yet? I don't think Richard Stallman would consider it free.
 
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Old 11-09-2017, 06:48 AM   #32
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Richard Stallman is not the most reliable source about what is free and what is not.

business_kid: You are thinking too complicated. The reason for the fork was Oracle. That's about it.
 
Old 11-09-2017, 09:43 AM   #33
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Richard Stallman is not the most reliable source about what is free and what is not.
+1 on the -1 to Richard Stallman. He seems to have shown great vision or foresight in getting gnu.org to host the bones of what linux is built on; I wasted a day in a Linux Conference in Belfast some years ago. I fitted in poorly with the tight assed geeks and obstreperous sysadmins who came and heard him speak (as the main speaker). He proved himself very ill mannered on the day interrupting other speakers and in the end had nothing worthwhile to say.

@Mill J:I looked at the wikipedia pages. As you say, one is discontinued, the other has lowered the bar for itself. As I get crotchety, I resent people saying "Have you read <such-and-such>?" The implication is(usually correctly so) that I am speaking in ignorance of facts, but not this time. The Internet is too big for me to read, even just the English bits.

The WPS linux version is so bad I'll stick a windows one in a vm and reserve it for totally necessary use. It's an M$word clone; It doesn't do .odt
 
Old 11-09-2017, 06:42 PM   #34
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Richard Stallman is not the most reliable source about what is free and what is not.
I think you know what I meant, I didn't say he a reliable source, because I don't know. But anybody using Linux has used his software, or agreed to his licenses one time or another.

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Old 11-09-2017, 06:46 PM   #35
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But anybody using Linux has used his software
This is technically not true. There are Linux distributions which come without the GNU userland, either by using Busybox or by using something entirely different, e.g. Android (which is basically the Linux kernel with a NetBSD userland under a Java-like VM).
 
Old 11-10-2017, 03:25 AM   #36
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This is technically not true. There are Linux distributions which come without the GNU userland,
I'll not argue. It's the everyday stuff I was talking about: bash, autoconf, diffutils, binutils, emacs,findutils, gcc, etc. Let's just settle on the main ones: If there's a distro out there built without any gnu code on a machine not using any gnu code, it's only because they have gone to excessive lengths to avoid gnu code.

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Old 12-05-2017, 11:41 PM   #37
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I have used LibreOffice on Linux and Windows 7 for many years. What is the greatest feature is that the user interface has never changed? They have made substantial improvements and new features over the years. When I need a file to go to a Windows user I save it in that format. I have never had a problem saving or opening an MS Office file.
 
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:36 PM   #38
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LibreOffice on Mac - maybe not?

I'm disappointed in this thread. Upon installing LibreOffice on a neighbor's MacBook it took forever to finish "verifying" and on checking I found that this is common for Macs not only during the install but also frequently after reboots. I'm even more disappointed at the help for the issue that assumes everyone knows how to get to terminal which I'm guessing a lot of Mac users don't even know exists.
 
Old 12-13-2017, 05:04 PM   #39
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LO on both Linux and Windows for me.
 
Old 12-14-2017, 03:46 PM   #40
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openoffice is dead.

Anything oracle based is evil. They have some package for java in gentoo linux which I have hard masked. I hate packages with fetch restriction. It means I as the user have to fetch from a shitty oracle homepage the file myself. And I see ads, the file is somewhere moved or hidden. Kinda annoying. Oracle is just evil company like IBM and others

Libreoffice is just one option.

I learnt recently about googles way of spreadsheets.

For my daily spent spreadsheet I use since this year google spreadsheet. Libreoffice is not up to the task anymore. When you want to get it done, use google spreadsheet. BAsic word processing use libreoffice.

Libreoffice crashed a month ago with a excel generated spreadsheet for a sports event. I had to fill it out and return it. It crashed everytime wiht the same input pattern.

For MS office based file I should install windows 10 again with ms office, as libreoffice is not up to the task in my point of view. When i need an hour because it crashes everytime i fill out one single cell in an excel sheet it is not useable at all.

Also backup wise is libreoffice junk and dead meat. I have 4 webbrowsers anyway installed. Libreoffice needs a lot of disc space, needs around 110 minutes to build everytime. I have to build that junk at least 3 times in gentoo linux a month average in past year 2017. It is also too big in my point of view. The software should use not more than 200MiB on the disc itself. The source is quite large
 
Old 12-15-2017, 08:55 AM   #41
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I don't use either, but if I were asked to install office software for someone else, I'd install Libre Office.
 
Old 12-15-2017, 10:06 AM   #42
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Android (which is basically the Linux kernel with a NetBSD userland under a Java-like VM).
This is not exactly correct.

Android has it's own libc called "Bionic", not NetBSD libc, the 1st stated goal of Bionic:

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Why Bionic?
Why build a custom libc library?
License: we want to keep GPL out of user-space
And it's released under 3-clause BSD.

There are apparently some NetBSD tools included, but I don't think Bionic was based on NetBSD libc.

As a *BSD user and someone who is not really a fan of GPL and copy left licences, I don't really have any objections to that, but I doubt their motivations are pure by any means. The android platform is pretty much proprietary in all but licence after all. The 'GPL avoidance' (or isolation) is to guarantee protection of proprietary IP (the numerous vendor blob drivers).

But you do raise the valid point that it's not really "Linux" in the sense that's not "GUN/Linux" often simply called "Linux". It's also not a "distribution" in the sense that google develop it and provide it "as is" as a firmware. It's just an OS which happens to use a modified Linux kernel and some more permissive (e.g. BSD, MIT, ISC, etc) and proprietary licenced code.
 
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:47 PM   #43
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I'm retired now so I can use what I want to use, which is Libre Office for now. I installed it for both Windows and Linux.

When I was working (until about 1 1/2 years ago) I had to use MS Office for work. Have you ever tried to write a document in Word that had to have complex outlines? What a disaster! Even if you use styles for outlines instead of the buttons of outline death on the toolbar, if someone else needs to edit you document and doesn't understand how styles work, the result is total chaos. LO is no better as they try to emulate Microsoft's way of doing things.

On a scale of "Kill me now" and 10, MS Office scores a perfect "Please put me out of my misery". LO is about a 5. I long for the days of WordPerfect and Quatro Pro on DOS!
 
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:53 PM   #44
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I long for the days of WordPerfect and Quatro Pro on DOS!
Funny a co-worker and I were talking just yesterday and he mentioned how he missed OmniPro and I mentioned how I'd installed WordPerfect years ago and marveled at how well it did things as compared to WordStar. We both agreed that almost anything was better than MS Office. I was specifically railing against the issues with outlinging that you mentioned.

Back in the day I also used Lotus 123 (and Symphony) and still don't think Excel has anything on how well they did things then. Paradox was also easier to use than Access.
 
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:11 PM   #45
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Funny a co-worker and I were talking just yesterday and he mentioned how he missed OmniPro and I mentioned how I'd installed WordPerfect years ago and marveled at how well it did things as compared to WordStar. We both agreed that almost anything was better than MS Office. I was specifically railing against the issues with outlinging that you mentioned.

Back in the day I also used Lotus 123 (and Symphony) and still don't think Excel has anything on how well they did things then. Paradox was also easier to use than Access.
LOL! Even before Paradox, I helped to write (actually, I wrote most of the guts; a coworker did more of the user interface) a complete LIMS (Laboratory Information Management System) in DBase III and later upgraded it to DBase IV. I did it in my spare time at work for my lab to use. It ran on a 286 PC with maybe a meg of memory. Anything today with equivalent functionality costs between $100,000 and $1,000,000 US, requires a $10,000 to $50,000 per year maintenance agreement AND the purchase and maintenance of a DB like Oracle or SQL Server! OK, mine didn't have client server capability. With today's tools, I could implement that in no time and make it faster and more secure than some of those expensive LIMS systems that are on the market right now. Ain't progress great?
 
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