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Old 04-24-2016, 02:26 PM   #31
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It is not clear, are you using nouveau with or without firmware? Darn, I hate to repeat myself.
 
Old 04-24-2016, 05:03 PM   #32
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It is not clear, are you using nouveau with or without firmware? Darn, I hate to repeat myself.
I don't know a lot about this game (as if not obvious) but from what little I have learnt, the readouts I have presented, it would seem to me, to be as clear as it is possible be, that Nouveau whether I like it or not, is the driver that is providing my graphics thus far Y/N??? - I have then followed up with a copy of the result of my attempt to include the 173.14.39 nvidia driver - So not sure what more evidence I can provide?

Hence I was in the hands of the experts.

Emerson, you sound frustrated with my apparent ignorance.......not half as frustrated as I am I assure you.......I guess unless I hear differently my time is up on this one!
 
Old 04-24-2016, 05:12 PM   #33
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Yes, and nouveau is FOSS driver, while the firmware is proprietary. Due to this fact many distros do not include the firmware with their installation, it is up to the operator of the box to get the firmware and make sure it gets loaded. The nouveau driver looks for it and loads it when it is present. Some functionality of the card is not available with nouveau when the firmware is not loaded.
 
Old 04-24-2016, 06:08 PM   #34
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Due to this fact many distros do not include the firmware with their installation, it is up to the operator of the box to get the firmware and make sure it gets loaded. The nouveau driver looks for it and loads it when it is present. Some functionality of the card is not available with nouveau when the firmware is not loaded.
Emerson, I'm sure it is obvious to the whole world wide web that you know more about this than me. As I'm sure we are agreed Iím running Nouveau as included in Mint 17.3

Upon searching the software updates in the software manager I found 173 in amongst the options........I asked it to install.......It refused - pointing out I needed to use "apt-get" to further my ambitions.

Having gone all around the houses to work out the "sudo install" required wording, I get the failure as presented in my previous post.

Surely to some of you experts out there it must be obvious what I am doing wrong other than bothering to get out of bed!

Thanks As Ever - Please excuse any sarcasm - as not intended.

I can only presume one of two options - either I did it wrong or it's not possible.
 
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PS. I am presuming Nvidia 173.14.39 is the firmware - I trust I have that right?

Tin hat on.
 
Old 04-24-2016, 06:17 PM   #36
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Yes and no. Nvidia 173.14.39 is nVidia binary driver which also contains the firmware in addition to the driver. Look, I do not even know if there is firmware available for your card. Basically hackers cut the firmware out from binary driver package so it can be used with nouveau. I'm using Gentoo, and Gentoo has a package with nvidia firmware which I as the operator must install to benefit from it. As I said, not sure about your card and distro.
 
Old 04-24-2016, 06:33 PM   #37
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Look here.
 
Old 04-24-2016, 06:51 PM   #38
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Yes and no. Nvidia 173.14.39 is nVidia binary driver which also contains the firmware in addition to the driver.
Thanks for your time Emerson - Having messed about with this hocus pocus issue for a couple of weeks now I have gleaned plenty but concurred little.

Regrettably, I feel I am in grave danger of annoying the community, so if this chain goes quiet I will understand as I had better put this box to one side pretty soon.

For the record, I have my old Presario cq60 Laptop running fine on Mint 17.3 Rosa, so unless I become an expert hacker or perfect the art of editing the file system I guess I'm screwed for the time being.

Still, It was almost fun at times trying and has been great making the acquaintance of so many of you guys.

Cheers Pozzouk.
 
Old 04-24-2016, 08:59 PM   #39
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Pozzouk,

you want to know what irritates regarding some newbies? Someone asks for help - how to open this damn thing. There are several responding, some are guessing and/or missing the point altogether. You happen to know what to do. So you reply: It can be forced open with foobar. But the guy who asked the question does not know what foobar is. From here are two possible paths.

One. Since there were several answers already he skips the one he does not understand without saying a word. You as a helper feel offended.
Two. He displays flashes of intelligence and asks: What the heck is foobar and how do you use it? From this point he'll find several members are keen to explain. Helpers feel happy because they are found useful. And he who asked for help ends up with working solution.

Amen.
 
Old 04-25-2016, 02:03 AM   #40
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Look here.
From that table it looks to me like Pozzouk doesn't need firmware?
 
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Old 04-25-2016, 09:26 AM   #41
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Thanks 273 for pointing out Emerson's link - as I have to admit to having totally missed it.

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Look here.
Sorry Emerson totally not paying attention - late at night.

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One. Since there were several answers already he skips the one he does not understand without saying a word. You as a helper feel offended.
Two. He displays flashes of intelligence and asks: What the heck is foobar and how do you use it?
Per chance, I guess I am such an unintentional offender. As if I'm not mistaken I seem to qualify for instances both "One & Two" whilst armed with "FooBar"

Irony upon Irony, when I finally found the suggested page; for the very first time since I arrived in the land of Linux my PC totally froze!.....Nothing but a hard restart was going to clear the issue - But from what I could make out my N34 FX5500 has a version of firmware built into it Y/N?....At least that is how it appears to this novice.

So, while in presumption mode: The fact I have a near acceptable minimised graphic display of roughly 50% before major lag impinges, I'm guessing that is as much as can reasonably be expected - I can live with that..........BUT what is most annoying is the near impossible use of the vertical scroll bar......I have tried several mice but all virtually fail to move the bar at all, or it jumps uncontrollably up and down the screen......Not cleaver!

Maybe it is time to grab my Windows 7 old faithful from the office and get it dual booting with half the drive turned over to Mint17.3 Rosa........sounds like grief - although it should be simple enough.......BANG!

Thanks Guys.

PS. If that was me in reference: I like the "flashes of intelligence" innuendo.....quite cheered me up!
 
Old 04-25-2016, 09:33 AM   #42
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Any chance you could get another, newer graphics card? I have several in my drawer, nVidia GT 9500 and others. Some local computer shop may give you one for almost nothing. Does you computer have PCI-E?
 
  


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