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Old 04-16-2016, 08:04 AM   #1
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Openchrome Versus Vesa


Hi, Guy's

I need to get rid of Openchrome from what I understand "rokytnji" has pointed me at a solution but it looks like way over my head. I have opened up this new thread as to be fair the graphic failure i'm having didn't really have much to do with me accidentally wiping out windows.

Also, if you are still there rokytnji ? I have put in a "Ge Force FX 5500" graphics card now, so not certain that the original advice stands although I suspect so.....As the glitchyness is slightly different but still bad.

PHP Code:
You are running the openchrome driver maintained by one dude who maintains viasavage,sis, and other obsolete graphics chipsYour xorg is 1.17 which is a compatible version with his drivers.
But some gear still have glitches with these older graphics chipsSome are OK with it though
ATB Pozzouk.
 
Old 04-16-2016, 01:22 PM   #2
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I'm appending my plea to yours as I also have an openchrome problem. Setting a different driver
is not in itself problematic. Basically you just need a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
The one I made says:
Code:
Section "Device"
    Identifier "Generic VESA compatible graphics"
    Driver     "vesa"
EndSection
The problem now is that if I start X with this configuration, it segfaults as soon as the driver has loaded.
If I replace "vesa" with "openchrome", X works, but then I have to deal with the bugs in openchrome. You could try
and see if you have better luck.

Roky, you seem to be an expert on vesa drivers: what am I doing wrong?
 
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Old 04-16-2016, 05:30 PM   #3
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Thanks for your input Hazel but for the life of me where am I supposed to find....

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Basically you just need a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
Forgive me but I am loosing the will to live here - I guess if I persevere one day this will all make perfect sense??? Not so sure about that right now!

As for.....

Code:
Section "Device"
    Identifier "Generic VESA compatible graphics"
    Driver     "vesa"
EndSection
Maybe I should go get a copy of Win10 as not a clue - No offence intended but I suspect this game is for Geeks only - it just makes no sense.

Thanks for trying Guy's - I know when I'm beat.
 
Old 04-17-2016, 06:50 AM   #4
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OK, let's start from the beginning. One of the differences between Windows and Linux is that Linux encourages you to explore
the whole filesystem and find out what lives where, whereas Windows keeps you locked up in the playpen called "My Documents".
In Linux, the whole system can safely belong to you because, when you're logged in as yourself, you can't do any damage. To
alter things outside your own home directory, you have to become root.

The filesystem is like an upside-down tree. At the top is the directory (folder) called /. In it are the big main directories
like /etc and /bin, and they in turn contain subdirectories. Your home folder is /home/pozzouk or whatever.

Each of the top-level directories contain specific things, and the /etc directory contains all the system configuration
files. If you look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, you will see configuration files for X. These override the built-in
defaults of the X-server. If you want the X server to behave differently (e.g. use a different driver), you just drop a small
file in here. You can call it whatever you like as long as it ends in .conf, e.g. graphics.conf. Of course you have to
become the root user to be allowed to do this.

You can try copying and pasting my one into a file, copying into the right location, and then restart X and see what happens. The worst
that will happen is that it will crash, and you'll have to remove the file again.

Being able to fix your system when something goes wrong is one of the things that makes Linux user-friendly. There's
nothing friendly about a system that can only be fixed by Microsoft engineers!
 
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:35 AM   #5
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Roky, you seem to be an expert on vesa drivers: what am I doing wrong?
xorg needs to be version 1.17 or older. Newer xorg 1.19 and above is breaking open source legacy drivers. No body is maintaining our old crap anymore.

I am busy mostly on my shop project and motorcycles and such. I will be tackling this problem later on , on my IBM T23 and AntiX 16 Beta 1 with a 4.4 noin pae kernel.
Another linux member I know who is a beta tester. Said after the beta 1 install. No graphics either. Both of our laptops have the savage graphics chip. That suffers the same
woes and sis and via graphics chips with the newer xorg.

Sorry I am not a great help right now. Like the dude that writes the drivers, openchrome, savage, I forget the name for the via one. I am only one dude.
xorg and that one dude who writes the drivers. Well. xorg did not factor in compatibility with his work. That is my understanding of our situation.

So we have to hoop jump through a graphics situation.

Here is my old beta crow of victory

http://antix.freeforums.org/antix-15-t5570.html

What I fought

http://antix.freeforums.org/post40085.html#p40085

I cherry picked through that thread to give you a idea with above link. If you have the time. Go through the whole 13 pages to get the full story on my trouble shooting and
repair steps to get to my "beta crow of victory" link. I am so paranoid. When I beta test version AntiX 16. The plan is to insert a different ide hard drive and leave my
successful running AntiX 15 final hard drive alone.
 
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:46 AM   #6
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Well, that's not the problem. I've just checked and the xorg server is only 1.11. Openchrome is 0.2.904 and vesa is
2.3.0. I'm currently trying to work around the problem with acpi scripts. The idea is to crash X before going into suspend
after storing a list of currently running apps. Then when it resumes, restart X in my name and relaunch those programs.
Kludgy but fun. But I don't think that solves the OP's problem.
 
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Old 04-17-2016, 12:55 PM   #7
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Gee, I can only hope when the penny drops this is going to all make sense?!?!

Thanks Hazel & Roky for calling by.

However, my progress is so slow I'm gona stop breathing if Iím not careful. As it happens, I've scrolled through pages & pages of very attractive desktops in the the land of Antix15. But not sure what that has to do with removing Openchrome......impressive pictures all the same.

As for Hazel's explanation of the upside down tree, I was happy with the first paragraph of why any user with a brain should escape the claws of MicroCash and having been and poked around in my "home folder" discovered a folder "etc" and inside another "X11" folder......I kinda prodded & poked it but certainly came to no conclusion for creating a new folder and somehow dropping it in........oh dear sorry not a clue.........although at least I found some folders......not much but an itsy witsy bit of progress.

Here's dreaming of seeing the word "SOLVED" at the end of this thread......should this ever happen I think Iíll throw a party.

ATB Pozzouk.
 
Old 04-17-2016, 01:36 PM   #8
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Maybe I should go get a copy of Win10 as not a clue - No offence intended but I suspect this game is for Geeks only - it just makes no sense.
If you do buy Windows 10 you will likely need a new graphics card anyhow.
 
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Old 04-17-2016, 02:37 PM   #9
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A quick map of the file system:
/boot files used in booting
/bin essential user programs and scripts
/sbin essential housekeeping programs and scripts
/lib essential libraries
/etc configuration files
/home users' home directories
/usr/bin other user programs and applications (not required in an emergency)
/usr/sbin other housekeeping programs (ditto)
/usr/lib less essential libraries
/usr/share permanent data files including documentation
/var data that changes dynamically
/var/log logs
/proc a window into the kernel; information on hardware and running processes
/sys hardware info
/run session-specific info
/tmp other temporary stuff.

Last edited by hazel; 04-17-2016 at 02:41 PM.
 
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Old 04-17-2016, 02:53 PM   #10
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that nvidia card is rather old and needs the unsupported 173 driver
the 173 driver NEEDS a old xorg version installed 1.15 !!!
NOT 1.17 !!!!


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i have a similar issue with a old gforce 2 mx 400 .It needs the old 96 driver and the old 1.13 version of Xorg
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the best option is to use a operating system that still is supported and still has that older version of Xorg

CentOS 6.7 should work


or

manually downgrade your version of Xorg to 1.15 on your OS and install the old 173.run from nvidia
-- 64 bit
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/drive...px/71303/en-us
-- 32 bit
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/drive...px/71302/en-us
 
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Old 04-17-2016, 03:12 PM   #11
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If vesa fails use fbdev. My trusty IBM T23 is gone, but it was working fine with fbdev after Xorg dropped support for its S3 (at least I think it was S3).
 
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Old 04-17-2016, 03:27 PM   #12
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Howdie 273, you sure are right there, and to honest I might just go throw myself off of the local pier before I invest more dosh @ Microcash - So I had better buckle down to the advice I'm getting from the likes of Hazel & Roky.

It just seems so intangible - I'm not alone I'm sure, as over the last fifteen to twenty years I have encountered many poor souls intent on one day clambering to the top of Linux Towers but none seem to have made the grade. I guess many of you guy's already on board must wonder why we poor mortals are so slow on the uptake.

PS. I can run real fast but I can't play the guitar either!

Shucks.
 
Old 04-17-2016, 07:32 PM   #13
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I explain some steps and provide links to files I have stored in the cloud.
It is up to you Pozzouk to figure out what is what.

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PS. I can run real fast but I can't play the guitar either!
I cannot even flee fast. That limitation has made me a fighter all my life. You can click my profile link on my user name to see who you are dealing with.

The openchrome thread I bailed another user out of.

https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/v...h-via-chipset/

Good luck. I think I am coming down with a cold or something. So disappearing for a bit.
 
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:06 AM   #14
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A quick map of the file system
Thanks Hazel - that looks like a cornerstone of facts - maybe obvious to those in the know - I guess this is a huge subject and maybe starting out with ancient kit wasnít the smartest move. Basically i'd like to remove this retched 1.17.........I just need the path and someone to hold the torch as i'm having trouble seeing where i'm going!

You guys are truelly great - then just a tad of instruction on how to put "vesa" back in its place - i trust that advice still holds?.......failing that i have John's "centOS" type option.

Cheers team.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 06:10 PM   #15
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John suggested:

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CentOS 6.7 should work
I had a look about for 6.7 but somehow the Kent University site in the UK gave me Version 7 - surprise surprise, it had me bamboozled with its lengthy combination of options so not totally certain I gave it enough time. All in all it seemed a tad basic and lacking polish to the extreme!.....None the less interesting and helped force the issue having trashed Mint.

Next, I had a go putting Ubuntu 15.1 in the hot seat but that seemed too much for the old girl so gave up.......electing to go back to Mint 17.3. This generally seems to be working quite well this time running the 64bit option, as having checked the cpu's suitability it appears to meet that versions needs - playing TV News channels quite well - an occasional spit here and there and the sound lags slightly at times.

One of the strange things that Iím stuck with, is when using these forum pages scrolling up and down on the sidebar is "really clunky to the extreme" although not quite as bad as before.

I hope Roky's feeling better!
 
  


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