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Old 08-25-2010, 07:50 AM   #1
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nvidia legacy desktop woes


I have an athlon-xp/32 bit /1 gig ram and a nvidia mx-440 agp video card on Slackware-12.0 with a nice big screen so I can read stuff. I like being able to read stuff.I boot to runlevel 3 and have sshd running so I can rescue crashes.

The card is to make way for a radeon hd4650, whose driver meets more modern standards. I started trying to make a dual video card system so I could use either, but that went badly. From /var/log/Xorg.log

Code:
	[23] 0	0	0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B]
	[24] 0	0	0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B]
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x000003d4)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x000003d4)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1440X900"
(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 1, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x00000474)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 1, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x00000474)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 3, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x0000089c)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 3, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x0000089c)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 11, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x000008bc)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 11, 0x8000, 0x00000000, 0x000008bc)
(II) Loading extension NV-GLX
I have a difficulty upgrading distro because my kids have maxed out the bandwidth. At a certain point, I restored /usr from a backup. The nvidia driver then showed an 'API version mismatch' error, because some 96.43.01 version driver was in there, and I was on 96.43.14. Two removals & reinstalls later, I pulled the driver, cleared any 96.43.*, reinstalled mesa, downloaded 96.43.18 from the nvidia site and installed that. X booted perfectly, crashed later on the screensaver, and haven't been able to get in again (see error above!) X also boots fine from the live dvds here which seems to clear hardware.

I am not tempted to start with the ATI card until I have X going. The above is about 15 minutes worth timewise. Top shows X has 99.99% of cpu
I do have a backup from a few months back, but as this is a video thing, I'm not sure it's the wise course. I can ssh in and run a command or two, that's all. If I try to kill X, it locks, but shutdown usually manages.

Anyone know if nvidia drivers overwrite anything besides mesa? What next? TIA
 
Old 08-25-2010, 08:02 AM   #2
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Sounds like "what's next" would be to re-install the xorg-server package. At least, that's what I'd do. Then after that, re-install the nvidia driver.

I have had those exact errors you show above, and as best as I could ever tell, it was due to an incompatibility between versions of my Xorg-server and my nvidia driver, and was compounded by my running two cards at once, each with its own monitor connected. You can see the full ordeal there: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...rg-bug-794887/ although to save you the reading, the 'solution' came when the xorg-server version got upgraded at the distro level; I could never find a workaround except to stay one or more versions behind the norm with my xorg-server package.

If re-installing xorg-server and the driver, does not help you, my only suggestion is to try downgrading (or upgrading if possible) one or the other or both of your xorg-server and nvidia driver. Try an older version of the driver from the archives at nvidia site.

Sorry this isn't a guaranteed fix, and good luck.

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Old 08-25-2010, 08:15 AM   #3
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Another thought too: Not sure if it'll help, or if I can come through with it, but: as I have that same card as you, and have used it in my old firewall box in the past, I *might* have an older version of the nvidia driver that is known to work with that card. If you cannot get a version that works for you, I'd be willing to fire up the old firewall box and have a look on it to see if I do have the driver; I could email it to you or something. Again, no guarantee I still even have it, but if it comes to it, I can look.
 
Old 08-25-2010, 09:34 AM   #4
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Thanks for the reply.

I do have 96.43.14 & 96.43.18, which is a bugfix for ubuntu-10.04. Just looking in the 96.43.18, it goes up to kernel 2.6.11. So now you understand why I'm still running slackware-12.0. This all worked for years.The only variations were that I got into the bios and allowed fast writes, and set the agp speed to auto, thinking I was going into radeon next.I'll try reinstalling xorg-server, mesa, & the driver in that order & post back.

It seems I'll have to leave slackware-12.0 if I ever get that sorted, to work the nvidia card, or else find a more ageless OSS driver. I don't need the fps
 
Old 08-25-2010, 09:43 AM   #5
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FWIW, if I remember right, most AGP bus connectors for video cards rarely went over 4x if ever. If all else fails, put your BIOS back the way it was, or set it to defaults, and try again (though I'd think "auto" would be suitable).

Anyhow, since you mention that you don't need the FPS, what exactly *do* you need - just a working half-decent display? If that's the case, the "vesa" driver may do all you need. I think I resorted to using that instead of 'nv' or 'nvidia' on my old machine ('nv' sucked big time, and I didn't need 'nvidia' enough to be bothered re-installing it), since all I needed was a decent console and occasionally I started up XFCE. The vesa driver worked just fine for both these things - it was slow, but then, this is a 399MHz machine I'm talking about .

Well, let us know where you're at after some re-installs you mentioned. Good luck!
 
Old 08-25-2010, 12:52 PM   #6
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I removed & reinstalled xorg-server, mesa, and nvidia's driver in that order. I get past the server crash. I get 3/4 of the screen pale blue, a vertical line and the right hand quarter white:-/ xfce4-session and X are running and sending them a hup killed them. The logfile gets past the wait (not sure how, I was changing at the time). This doesn't look healthy
Code:
(**) Keyboard0: CustomKeycodes disabled
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Keyboard0" (type: KEYBOARD)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE)
(II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Error recovery failed.
(EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
Bios are fine. Nothing out of place. Everything in /usr was restored.
This, btw is my workshop/desktop box from my electronics business that was. Whenever I needed 'a pc' this was it. When bits fall off which is inevitable, I buy more. I tried X again, with a logfile, and I have an X crash with grey horizontal flickering action :-((. The logfile gives it away
Code:
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
        (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Aug 25 17:30:32 2010
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(II) Module already built-in
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Error recovery failed.
(EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Error recovery failed.
(EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Error recovery failed.
(EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
Agent pid 5409
** Message: Querying Xkb extension
** Message: Xkb extension found
** Message: This build doesn't include support for XF86Misc extension
** Message: Querying Xkb extension
** Message: Xkb extension found
** (xfwm4:5424): WARNING **: The display does not support the XComposite extension.
** (xfwm4:5424): WARNING **: Compositing manager disabled.
env: firefox-bin: No such file or directory
That's all I got.
Now I have decided exactly what to do. Nothing. Leave it for a week, download another distro, install the ATI card and try that on my new distro. I can retain the same /home. Go OSS with radeon, which has opengl-2.0 & m$ directX 10.1 compatability, which is more than I could find locally in a nvidia card. It's probably the kernel module, because I did modify the kernel and did not run make clean before trying it.
 
Old 08-25-2010, 02:28 PM   #7
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I have retreated out of this with the nv driver. I haven't even bothered to update stuff, as I have to match in too much, so I have a paltry 285 FPS in glxgears, but that's until I get another distro loaded.

I have researched the radeon side a bit more thoroughly. I need a git of mesa, xf86-video-ati, & xorg-server which will probably break a few lib versions. I gather they have that r600g driver working more or less, but rather less than more :-).

Thanks for your thoughts, & experiences.

EDIT: In cleaning up, I found
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so-96.43.01 !! That's where it was.

Last edited by business_kid; 08-25-2010 at 02:31 PM.
 
Old 08-26-2010, 07:47 AM   #8
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P.S.

Not out of the woods yet. removed nvidia-legacy, set up on nv driver, but X still crashes. It crashed on wine, so I rebooted using ssh and said 'I'll configure wine.' No I won't. now it crashes on starting X.
Backing up for a new install. I have broken rule no. 1

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

and am simply getting what I deserve. Next to check out the radeon-worthiness of a few of my favourite distros.
 
  


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