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Old 06-17-2016, 06:51 AM   #16
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No, I have not.

I installed Ubuntu 16.04, first the beta and then the final release.

I just recently tried Linux Mint 18 Sarah beta.

In both cases, I experienced what you've reported, i.e., the volume control works and a menu comes up, but there is no sound.

I also see the phrase "dummy output." I never asked about what this means. Perhaps the card is indeed recognized and the output devices need tweaking.

Some kind sage advised me that using a newer kernel is not enough, and that I must upgrade/update the Cherry Trail software as well.

I have failed at finding an upgrade/update. Perhaps this upgrade/update is the holy grail we should be pursuing.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 06:54 AM   #17
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TimothyMiller,

Pleased to hear that your Microsoft Surface Pro 3 is running okay. A friend of mine is buying one shortly.

An Amazon UK customer had this to say about the product recently:

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SSD hard drive failed after 8 months - took 30 mins to boot up. They replaced it with a reconned unit which had a serial number starting 6 (my original unit started 9), ie much older. Now it's failing with WiFi problems ([...]) and the SDHC card is temperamental (separate issue put down to different depths).
All in all - I regret buying this, next laptop will be an Apple.
I don't know the US price but the SP3 in the UK is about £800!! That is blooming expensive in my opinion.

For the same money it is up against the Apple MacBook Air, Intel Core i5, 4GB RAM, 256GB Flash Storage, 13.3" and other more expensive MacBooks.

I am not a fan of Microsoft or Apple, but assuming that Linux did not exist, I would be forced to go with a MacBook.

I wish you luck.

PS Is the SP3's hardware Linux-friendly?

I am sure that there are several LQ members who would be interested to know.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 09:35 AM   #18
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PS Is the SP3's hardware Linux-friendly?

I am sure that there are several LQ members who would be interested to know.
Mostly, yes.

The only things that don't fully work on mine are the accelerometer and the type cover.

The type cover keyboard works, and the touchpad has BASIC functionality, but no multitouch.

The accelerometer is completely non-fuctional.

Took some work, but the pen works absolutely fine, all buttons functional.

I'm actually getting rid of my SP3 due to accidentally winning a Latitude E7470 off ebay (i7-6600u, 16 gb ram, 512 m.2 ssd, 1080P, I say accidentally because I was bidding on for fun, never expected it to end below $850), and have been offered several trades for the MacBook Air's and Pro's, so apparently a lot of Apple users do want these.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 10:12 AM   #19
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Timothy Miller,

These meaning the SP3s?

I am surprised that many MacBook owners would ever consider switching.

Thanks for the info in any case.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 10:51 AM   #20
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Same here, gunghang.
System detects "Playback: Dummy output (PulseAudio Mixer)". I don't know what does it mean. By the way....did you get wireless working? I didn't (get an error trying that: https://github.com/hadess/rtl8723bs), so i need to plug an external usb wifi card.
This notebook is cheap and nice...but it has broken my head! Also, i deleted the original Windows 10 installation without making a backup previously (dummy, i know...:-P), and i've tried re-install many times, unsuccessfully all of them. So linux is now the only choice to get this computer work!
So any help will be well appreciated....
 
Old 06-17-2016, 11:32 AM   #21
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Timothy Miller,

These meaning the SP3s?

I am surprised that many MacBook owners would ever consider switching.

Thanks for the info in any case.

Yes, S(urface)P(ro)3. Apparently it's quite a popular design with Apple fans. Smaller and lighter than the Macbook Air even, with the ability to be used as a tablet like the iPad, apple users are loving these things (or at least that's my understanding, I only bought it because I got a good deal on it and thought it might be fun to play around with and try to get linux working on).

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Old 06-17-2016, 06:20 PM   #22
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I'm glad to hear that people are happy with their Microsoft Surface Pro 3's. However, I don't have one. I use a Pipo W9S.
Prior to leaving Thailand for China, I bought a 2nd hand Surface RT on ebay from the USA. It has been excellent value for money, though it comes with its own set of frustrations.

Regarding eradicating Windows 10 and changing ones mind: Perhaps your salvation lies in Pirate Bay. First, install Linux to a USB drive so you can run it from that. You could use the SD card. I tried, but anything larger than a 16 GB card doesn't seem to work on my Pipo. Second, download and install Win 7 or Win 8. Hope that the "free upgrade to Win 10" option appears. What have you got to lose?

SOS! Where can one download the upgrade for the Cherry Trail firmware?

Regarding my internet connection: We have a PPOE (I think) and I use DSL. On Mint 17, it worked. I could not connect on Mint 18 beta. This may be something stupid I did or did not do, or I may be limited to 17.3 without sound. I really don't know.

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Old 11-11-2016, 07:29 PM   #23
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I never solved the sound (or lack of it) on the Pipo W9S.

My answer was to buy a Pipo X10.

The X10 is a dual boot with Windows 10 (royal pain in the posterior that it is) and Android 5.1.

My reasoning is that Android is close enough to Linux Mint and Ubuntu. It's virus free, easier on resources, and doesn't give "Please don't turn off your computer" messages like Windows does.

Also, if sound works with Android, I thought it might work with Linux Mint and Ubuntu.

It has a touch screen, which is nice, and a much smaller footprint on a desk.

My miracast doggle doesn't work, so my answer has been the Pipo X10 with a cordless mouse and keyboard. This allows me to sit with the students in a class. The small footprint makes this a little easier.

I'm happy with the X10. There have been some problems, but Pipo customer service has been good.

1) The start menu which lets you choose Android or Windows stopped appearing.
. The answer was to double click the "wintoand" desktop icon. If missing, it can be downloaded. Finding it may take a little sleuthing. This works if the machine is booting into Windows. If it's booting into Android, swipe down from the top of the screen and click on what looks like a user icon and another menu drops down. The Windows icon is there and it will take you to Windows 10.

2) The machine restarts when shutting down from Android. I have to switch to Windows and then shutdown.
. This means that to use Android, I must start in Windows, go to Android, and then go back to Windows
. to shut down. This is acceptable. The damn computer works, after all.

3) I cannot get it to boot from a flash drive. I am able to do this on my Pipo W9S. I think I'm using
. the same BIOS settings on both computers. It recognized a Kingston drive but won't boot from it.
. I doesn't recognize the San Disk drive I've tried. I'd like to boot from USB both to have a rescue
. disk and to try Linux Mint &/or Ubuntu to see if the sound will work.

4) The USB drives don't have much power. I can use neither my external hard drive nor an external
. optical drive with this computer. It's USB flash drive only. Again, this is okay. I would like to
. be able to boot from a flash drive, though.
 
Old 11-11-2016, 07:51 PM   #24
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Thanks for the update on the PIPO and your solutions.


I wanted to buy one to use as a small firewall. Never got to that project but did read up on how others got the problems fixed on that platform. The device should be common to many products from PIPO type devices to tablets and maybe some mini laptops to mini computers. The people who fixed it had there patches posts on internet but I had to look at many search terms for that platform from processor to make of device.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 12:00 AM   #25
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My latest from Pipo support regards getting a USB drive to boot.

The reply was: PiPO X10 support USB flash drive,
Check Settings> Storage> Unknown Device.

I looked at Settings on Windows 10.
I looked at Settings on Android 5.1
I looked at the BIOS menu.

I don't want to bother Pipo yet again, but I don't what Settings menu I'm supposed to use.
 
Old 11-27-2016, 11:15 PM   #26
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This is the end of my W9S and X10 saga.

A Windows upgrade bricked Windows on the X10. It would boot to a black screen.
The solution was to access the advanced troubleshooting menu and reset the computer. That provided one shot of access to Windows.
Upgrading Windows from a flash drive while within Windows proved to the answer. Once in Windows, I could access Android.

Android will work, but Ubuntu or Linux Mint are preferable.

The "no sound on Cherry Trail" answer might be WUBI.

WUBI may be defunct, but one can copy the ubuntu folder from an existing install and copy it to the Cherry Trail machine.
One might also need GRUB. But, Linux would then run on the Cherry Trail machine, with sound, I hope.
 
Old 11-28-2016, 03:19 AM   #27
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WUBI lives!

12.04 Precise is still available, both as a WUBI installer and as an ISO.

I disconnected from the internet and put the WUBI .exe file and the Precise ISO into the same folder. It installed.

The reboot failed. I expected this. But, there is now a metro menu showing both Ubuntu and Windows 10. I've installed Grub2Win and changed the Windows menu to legacy.

The "no sound with Cherry Trail" question has become "What are the menu entries for the Grub2Win menu &/or the Windows 10 menu for a WUBI install?"

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Old 12-06-2016, 02:42 AM   #28
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I've done a side by side install of Ubuntu 12.04 Precise. No sound, of course.

But, I've run across the following from cnx software:

Since Intel has decided not to officially support Bay Trail and Cherry Trail processors in Linux, and focus on other priorities, people who have tried to use HDMI audio in Linux with mini PCs or TV sticks based on the processors have always had issues. There’s a workaround for Bay Trail mini PCs with Linux 3.16 kernel, but so far I’ve never seen a Cherry Trail system working with HDMI audio in Linux. Luckily, Pierre-Louis Bossart has been working on support, and Piotr kasprzak has tried HDMI audio support with OpenELEC 7.0 and a patched Linux Kernel 4.5.1, and confirmed it to be working on Tronsmart Ara X5 Plus and Wintel 10 Pro mini PC powered by Intel Atom x5-Z8300 processor.

Maybe there's hope. I've downloaded the Open ELEC 7.0 image. Excuse my ignorance, but, what do I do with it?

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Old 12-08-2016, 02:59 AM   #29
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I feel very stupid.

https://www.adafruit.com/adablog/wp-...RG-600x461.jpg

A USB audio adapter works just fine. Since I use external speakers or headphones, this is zero inconvenience.

A similar device for HDMI does not work, though another might.
 
  


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