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Old 10-29-2006, 09:07 PM   #1
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Music Notation/MIDI on Linux


Hello everyone,
So I've almost completely kicked the windows habit (gaming non-withstanding), but I still have a need for Finale. Are there any good Linux programs out there that can do both notation and MIDI playback? The ideal program would accept Finale files, but I'm looking for any possibilities here.

And BTW, I know the current versions of Finale (I think 2003 and later) can save things in MusicXML format, but I have finale 2000 so that is not currently an option. Also, I've heard that ABC is the best linux program for notation, but unfortunately it doesn't have playback.

So, given all that, anyone have any suggestions?
 
Old 10-29-2006, 09:55 PM   #2
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lilypond tries to do input filters for finale files and Rosegarden NoteEdit and denemo all try to use lilypond. results are likely to be a bit less than satisfying but you can work with it.
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Doc...nvoking-etf2ly

like most things Linux this stuff is most likely alot more powerfull than its windows cousin but corespondingly harder to use.

all three above can play midi.
 
Old 12-14-2006, 02:31 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by thethinker
Hello everyone,
So I've almost completely kicked the windows habit (gaming non-withstanding), but I still have a need for Finale. Are there any good Linux programs out there that can do both notation and MIDI playback? The ideal program would accept Finale files, but I'm looking for any possibilities here.

And BTW, I know the current versions of Finale (I think 2003 and later) can save things in MusicXML format, but I have finale 2000 so that is not currently an option. Also, I've heard that ABC is the best linux program for notation, but unfortunately it doesn't have playback.

So, given all that, anyone have any suggestions?
mcgregor70
I have installed Kubuntu I would like to be able to use
Finale 2001b as I use it for mainly writing music and transposing for trumpet but it looks as though it is not easy to do I partioned my hard drive have Kubuntu and XP
I find 2001b a nice programme to work I upgraded to 2003
but did not like it
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:22 PM   #4
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I know just what you mean...I'm hooked on a windows notation program
called "Mozart" by David Webber..to my taste it is in some ways better
than Finale or Sibellius for notating the kind of music I write..
Mozart shows some promise of running under wine but I've not had good
results with the Mozart + wine + slackware combination. But as previously
mentioned, Noteedit is a native linux app that I've had some success with
...but I would keep my eye out for a project called "Canorus" It's in pre-release
but the noteedit developers view it as the sucessor to their work on the noteedit
codebase. If I had Mozart running reliably under wine or Canorus with
the features it promises, I would not be dual-booting.
 
Old 12-19-2006, 03:46 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by letitgo
I know just what you mean...I'm hooked on a windows notation program
called "Mozart" by David Webber..to my taste it is in some ways better
than Finale or Sibellius for notating the kind of music I write..
Mozart shows some promise of running under wine but I've not had good
results with the Mozart + wine + slackware combination. But as previously
mentioned, Noteedit is a native linux app that I've had some success with
...but I would keep my eye out for a project called "Canorus" It's in pre-release
but the noteedit developers view it as the sucessor to their work on the noteedit
codebase. If I had Mozart running reliably under wine or Canorus with
the features it promises, I would not be dual-booting.
My friend worked Mozart but has changed to Finale I prefer Finale myself ,I work Speedy it would be be nice to be able to use midi keyboard is your Mozart the latest version. I could not make anything of sibelius
I am hoping to make it with Linux || sometime once you know it will be simple mcgregor70 Email mcgregor70@uku.co.uk
 
Old 12-24-2006, 08:54 PM   #6
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Sorry for the delay in reply mcgregor70, but life got in the way...
I use a verison of Mozart two versions back from their current, as of
yet I haven't tried the latest under wine. I'm still resolving some
difficulties with glibc and compiling wine on slackware 11 ...ugh.

I compose mainly for voices STAB and for solo guitar. My weaknesses are music theory and orchestration, and I found Mozart's feature/price ratio to be very
good and once learned, its note entry method quite efficient. The level of music theory necessary to get a good result was a good fit for me. There is also a
active, helpful, and good humored Yahoo mailing list support group.

When I get wine stable on slack 11 I plan to give the latest Mozart version a
try. If I get a good result I'll be happy to email you.

Merry Christmas,
--Lawrence
 
Old 10-16-2007, 12:38 AM   #7
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Wink

My, this is a long time between posts. I just noticed I was still
subscribed to this thread. Ah well, I might as well update my success
with Slackware 11/Wine/Mozart.

As I write this with Wine-0.9.47, Alsa-1.14, Kernel-2.6.19, and
Timidity++ 2.13.2 running in Alsa server mode, Mozart is happily
purring away on my KDE 3.5.4 desktop in Slackware 11.0 The wine
application database for this version of Mozart-9.2.3.0(current)
can be seen at:

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...estingId=16447

The program is fully functional , but Wine has difficulty rendering
its help files. Mozart is a commercial program, and if you want to
see its methods of notation, there is a free 30 day evaluation
download that also works with the above combination

Noteedit and Canorus are truly ambitious and quite useful projects,
but the more than a decade's maturity Mozart has on them shows itself
in many ways.

Humm...a year or so between posts...not exactly rapid development


Be well,
--Lawrence
 
Old 02-20-2008, 05:25 PM   #8
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This is now 2008 has there been anything new ragarding notation for Linux
 
Old 02-20-2008, 06:07 PM   #9
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Well,

Canorus is moving along:
https://canorus.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Rosegarden's notation editor has had some developement:
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

The combination:
Slackware11/KDE3.54/Wine0.9.50/Mozart9
works well for me. On Slack 11 there are difficulties with
higher versions of wine at this time :-(

Also, even though they are from 2005, you may wish to consider
these four articles by Dave Phillips:

Part 1
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8629

Part2
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8670

Part3
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8738

Part4
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8972

There are many resources mentioned in these articles

--Lawrence

Last edited by letitgo; 02-20-2008 at 06:14 PM. Reason: wrong urls and spelling
 
Old 02-21-2008, 06:01 PM   #10
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Thanks for reply there doe not seem to be a lot of progress
I like finale 2001b I hope it will work on Linux sometime
mcgregor70
 
Old 03-05-2008, 01:35 AM   #11
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Hi guys, nice to see another New Orleans Linux musician ; )

I am currently using the Ubuntu Studio distro which came loaded and optimized with lots of software goodies which I haven't even had a chance to go through completely yet.

After reading your post I loaded up a program called 'GNU Denemo' to see how it compared to a very basic memory of Finale2003. I only sent about two minutes on it but the interface was smooth and solid (See pic below), and it plays back as well, so it would probably be worth a shot to look into! Also, Rosegarden has probably only gotten better.

If you think it might be a good decision I would even look into booting the whole Ubuntu Studio distro; it comes with so many usable features that I haven't even had a need to boot back into Windows since I installed it : )

<img src="http://a285.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/24/l_5d64937feca1dde06310c31e2cb3ed4c.png">
 
Old 03-05-2008, 10:48 AM   #12
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Hi guys, nice to see another New Orleans Linux musician ; )
Actually, I'm in Metairie :-) ( a New Orleans Suburb ). But I think
you'll find linuxarians pop up in lots of places (something about freedom, ya know?) Anyway, I've read many good things about Ubuntu Studio.
If you're interested in such things, there is a New Orleans Linux users group ( NOLUG ) that meets regularly:

http://http://www.nolug.org/

Also, you may wish to take a look at another well maintained distro
optimized for Audio/Visual distro from Planet CCRMA at Stanford U.
The "Planet" uses the Fedora Core series for its base distro. It has
a bit steeper learning curve than Ubuntu, but has a deserved good reputation.

http://http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/

May I suggest that you first consider what sort of musical work
is most important for you. I.E. composition or recording, and how
you pefer to compose--notation or sampling or midi, etc. Then research the
apps available in linux for your particular case. (Google is your friend
<VBG>) There are some Quite amazing things available.
The Linux-audio-users mailing list group is a good source for info:

http://http://www.music.columbia.edu...ux-audio-user/

I hope this helps,

--Lawrence
 
Old 03-05-2008, 11:10 PM   #13
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Hi Lawrence,

Yeah, I'm familiar with Metairie as well : ) I took a look at NOLUG and it seems interesting, do you attends meetups with them as well?

I took a look at CCRMA before deciding on Ubuntu for the initial learning curve of jumping back into linux, would you say there is a big difference between the two in performance and capabilities on the same system? Or does it just depend on properly tweaking the system itself? I am mainly interested in Multitrack recording of live instruments (Anywhere from 1-10 at a time eventually), but I also use midi and synths (albeit sparingly) to fill in some parts : )

I'll also keep my eye on that mailing list, thanks for teh info! WHat lind of work do you do by the way?
 
Old 03-06-2008, 02:00 AM   #14
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Yeah, I'm familiar with Metairie as well : )
I was just thinking that others on the list might not know about the great
17th street canal divide .

I don't attend the NOLUG meetings --other obligations are almost always
in my way(not to mention lazy)--but it has been nice to lurk on the
mailing list. Some of their meeting topics have been tempting me lately
though.

The system performance issues I've seen have depended more on Kernel
and Jack tweaking than on a particular distro. One of the advantages
of "Audio Optimized" distros is that they do this for you. I use Slackware,
and before the 2.6.17 kernels in slack 11 , I had some difficulties
setting up the necessary real time capabilities, etc. Now even the
vanilla version of more recient kernels do well so long as real-time
capabilites are running in the kernel.

Quote:
I am mainly interested in Multitrack recording of live instruments (Anywhere from 1-10 at a time eventually), but I also use midi and synths
Sounds like Ardour for recording, and Rosegarden for midi, and
fluidsynth or zynaddsubfx may be to your liking. I'd bet that Ubuntu
studio has these installed already, or packages available for them.
My recording needs are simple, so audacity or alsa capture are enough for
me. But I've really enjoyed some of the sound fonts available for use
with timidity++ or Qsynth/fluidsynth for changing the way midi playback
sounds.

I play guitar, sing in a choir, and have made music a hobby for most of
my life. Lately I've tried my hand at composition (with mixed results<G>)

My work has been in Electrical Engineering and Math (some might say with
mixed results there too<VBG>)

--Lawrence
 
  


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