more efficient {min,max} than "sort | {head,tail} -1"?

magicbronson · 06-30-2009, 01:11 PM

Is there a more efficient way to get the min (max) than sorting the entire input and piping to head (tail) -1?

magicbronson · 06-30-2009, 01:13 PM

In other words, does a command line "min" or "max" program exist in Unix?

H_TeXMeX_H · 06-30-2009, 02:03 PM

You know if you post in your own thread such that it has more than 1 (the original post) it removes your thread from the 0-reply list, and you're less likely to get help with an issue.

Either way, whatever way there is of finding max and min, it will ALWAYS involve sorting. And since sort is written in C, it's your best bet for efficiency. You could also do it with awk, but it would likely be less efficient.

Valery Reznic · 06-30-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H

You know if you post in your own thread such that it has more than 1 (the original post) it removes your thread from the 0-reply list, and you're less likely to get help with an issue.

Either way, whatever way there is of finding max and min, it will ALWAYS involve sorting. And since sort is written in C, it's your best bet for efficiency. You could also do it with awk, but it would likely be less efficient.

Why do you think that looking for min/max should ALWAYS involve sorting ?
A naive way to do it is sequence reading of lines and storing min/max value. Could be done with sh, awk, perl - (nearly) every available interpreter. Of course you can "abuse" sort too, but why it's mandatory ?

ghostdog74 · 06-30-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by magicbronson

Is there a more efficient way to get the min (max) than sorting the entire input and piping to head (tail) -1?

if you meant getting min/max value of a range of numbers (in a file), see here for an example.

H_TeXMeX_H · 07-01-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Valery Reznic

Why do you think that looking for min/max should ALWAYS involve sorting ?
A naive way to do it is sequence reading of lines and storing min/max value. Could be done with sh, awk, perl - (nearly) every available interpreter. Of course you can "abuse" sort too, but why it's mandatory ?

Lets say you have an array or list of unsorted data and you want to find the min and max values. How would you do it ? You would have to sort the data or at least go through every element and check it versus every other element and see which is smallest and which is biggest. ghostdog74 posted the algorithm that would be applied. It effect even doing it this way you are sorting the data and doing at least as much work as effectively sorting the data.

Valery Reznic · 07-01-2009, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H

Lets say you have an array or list of unsorted data and you want to find the min and max values. How would you do it ? You would have to sort the data or at least go through every element and check it versus every other element and see which is smallest and which is biggest. ghostdog74 posted the algorithm that would be applied. It effect even doing it this way you are sorting the data and doing at least as much work as effectively sorting the data.

"at least go through every element and check it versus every other element",
No, you have not. You have only (as in ghostdog74's algorithm) compare each element with CURRENT minimum and current maximum, not each element with each other.
And this is surely less work then sorting.

H_TeXMeX_H · 07-01-2009, 03:58 AM

Alright, you might be right, so I ran a benchmark:

Code:

bash-3.1$ for i in $(seq 100000); do echo $RANDOM >> file; done         
bash-3.1$ time awk 'NR==1{                                             
 tempmin=$0
 tempmax=$0
}
$0 >= tempmax{   tempmax=$0 }
$0 <= tempmin {  tempmin = $0 }
END{
  print "min: "tempmin
  print "max: "tempmax
}' file
min: 0
max: 32767

real	0m0.078s
user	0m0.077s
sys	0m0.001s
bash-3.1$ time sort -n file > sorted && head -n1 sorted && tail -n1 sorted

real	0m0.082s
user	0m0.079s
sys	0m0.003s
0
9999

You'd be better off writing the minmax is C, it will likely be much faster.

ghostdog74 · 07-01-2009, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H

bash-3.1$ time sort -n file > sorted && head -n1 sorted && tail -n1 sorted
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one little things in this piece of code is that you are redirecting it to a file. Might take a bit of i/o time.

that said, another way to write

Code:

sort -n file | awk 'NR==1;END{print}'

one awk process to print first and last record, however i doubt it will be faster than head + tail combination.

H_TeXMeX_H · 07-01-2009, 04:50 AM

yeah, it is slower:

Code:

bash-3.1$ time sort -n file | awk 'NR==1;END{print}'
0
32767

real	0m0.100s
user	0m0.097s
sys	0m0.004s

After thinking about it a bit, sorting is likely to be less efficient than just finding min and max, but if you have to use bash only then it won't matter. Best think to do is write a small C program.

pwc101 · 07-01-2009, 05:24 AM

There's a tool in the Generic Mapping Tools (GMT) package called minmax which does just this: it reads a file and spits out the minimum and maximum values for each column. I'm not sure exactly how it's done, but on a file generated using your "for i in $(seq 100000); do echo $RANDOM >> file; done" command, these are the time results:

Code:

pwc@mike ~/desktop $ time minmax file
file: N = 100000        <0/32767>
minmax file  0.12s user 0.06s system 51% cpu 0.359 total
pwc@mike ~/desktop $ time sort -n file | awk 'NR==1;END{print}'
0
32767
sort -n file  0.19s user 0.01s system 99% cpu 0.203 total
awk 'NR==1;END{print}'  0.08s user 0.03s system 52% cpu 0.203 total
pwc@mike ~/desktop $ time awk 'NR==1{                                           
>  tempmin=$0
>  tempmax=$0
> }
> $0 >= tempmax{   tempmax=$0 }
> $0 <= tempmin {  tempmin = $0 }
> END{
>   print "min: "tempmin
>   print "max: "tempmax
> }' file
min: 0
max: 32767
awk  file  0.23s user 0.03s system 105% cpu 0.250 total

I've attached the source for minmax, if anyone's interested. The project's homepage is http://gmt.soest.hawaii.edu/.

magicbronson · 07-01-2009, 05:23 PM

So a minmax utility does exist in some package (albeit one whose ~60 other utilities I have no need for)! Interesting find, pwc101. What I'm looking for though is something with a similar interface to coreutils' "sort", so I've just posted to the bug-coreutils mailing list asking if they might add it.

magicbronson · 07-01-2009, 11:12 PM

here is the message I posted to bug-coreutils: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-core.../msg16920.html

H_TeXMeX_H · 07-02-2009, 04:03 AM

You might want to ask for a multi-utility tool, because minmax is just not enough. If you want I'll write a short C program later today to do it. It's quite simple, so it shouldn't be hard.

pwc101 · 07-02-2009, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by magicbronson

So a minmax utility does exist in some package (albeit one whose ~60 other utilities I have no need for)! Interesting find, pwc101. What I'm looking for though is something with a similar interface to coreutils' "sort", so I've just posted to the bug-coreutils mailing list asking if they might add it.

We use GMT all the time here at work for our plots, so it wasn't much of a find!

I'm sure it'd be pretty straight forward to hack out the GMT specific parts and be left with a simple minmax utility. But as you say, you've a different approach in mind.

If I weren't as busy as I am at the moment, I'd be tempted to have a go myself. Maybe I will, when I get bored!