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Old 02-12-2005, 10:32 PM   #16
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Other than the lacking of a little of the power we're used to, it's a pretty clean and stable distro, don't you think?
Yes, which is one reason I got so irritated. It's not lacking power, it's lacking basic functionality. I think that they are on the right track here, but why dumb it down. I really see no benefit to this. Now, because I set this up on a multi-boot system with a shared /home partition I ran into some home directory/uid conflicts and made a stupid mistake that could have been fixed had I been able to login as root. But instead I was left with no root user and no user in the sudoers list (duh). Definitely my fault, but in this case I think that the balance between usability and security was lost. Why? Because it might be too hard for newbies to remember a password? This is NOT the direction linux should be headed in. Plus, it didn't make MY life any easier.

I like the lean install and, although I am not a big fan of gnome, they did a nice job with it. The installer is definitely Debian (which feels a little too restrictive to me). But once it's installed who cares right? Apt-get is interesting. The packages were a bit dated compare to slack, but I guess a new version is just about to be released and you can always upgrade. I rely on mc on a fresh install for configuration and checking things out before running X and was surprised to see it missing. apt-get install mc / midnight-commander returned a blank stare - not in the repository I guess. Then again, there was no command-line-only runlevel at install either...

I don't mean to sound harsh. I just feel very strongly about not dumbing down linux. The act was bad enough. The quote just put me over the edge.

I can see the value of a live distro, but I don't like them. Just an opinion. It's as wrong as any I guess.
Old 02-13-2005, 01:45 AM   #17
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It ain't for you, and it ain't for me (Gentoo), but it *IS* for my missus.
Coming from a Win98 machine that I refuse to pay Redmont to upgrade all the bloody time.

Does the job for her - except for the inane licensing stance that the Debian based world insist on.
Gotta go get mplayer and codecs before she can play the wmv attachments she gets from her mates.
But I digress.
Old 02-14-2005, 01:10 PM   #18
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Originally posted by Franklin
I know this is an old thread but...


I just had to rant as I was playing with Ubuntu today. The quote from below is from the Ubuntu wiki and is quite appalling (in my opinion) :

Whomever came up with this should be strung up by their toes and flogged with a wet noodle. I may indeed be an idiot, but if I want my OS to assume I'm an idiot, I can go back to using windows. What happens if you hose your only user account and can't login? Not only can you not login and sudo, but you can't login as root to fix things.

Also, any reason why I needed to create my own non-X runlevel? (by deleting the S99gdm symlink from rc3.d) All runlevels lead to X as default. Any more basic linux conventions you'd like to throw out?


If you forget your password, you are not hosed. You can always boot from the live CD and mount
the root partition on the hard-disk, edit the /etc/shadow file for your username (remove the hashed
password, between the first two colons), save the file and reboot. Then boot from the HD, when
you login for the first time, just hit enter for your password. Then immediately type "passwd" at the
prompt and create a new password for yourself... In Linux you are never really hosed. ;-)

The X-only runlevels are a Debian feature (not Ubuntu). Removing the gdm symlink from runlevel 3 is a
good trick I hadn't thought about doing. I don't run Ubuntu, but I do run Debian from time to time. Thx...


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