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Old 01-24-2017, 07:55 PM   #1
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Looking for browser recommendations


I am old school and there is something about me that may be very difficult to believe and may even be repulsive to a lot of people:

I really like to install applications and just use them, and never have to babysit for them.

Especially when the application is supposed to comply with standards that were put in place to ensure not only cross-platform compatibility, but even cross-application compatibility.

I kid you not. That was a very popular idea once upon a time. If you've never heard about it, please ask your parents.

That was a long time ago. Nobody gives a crap about the standards anymore, and websites will be pulled off your feet if you don't update your browser like, two or three times a year. Which I never do.

So I updated Iceweasel in my Debian installation and, to my horror, I discovered that many of my plugins do not work anymore. Well, maybe they would if the Mozilla gestapo would let them, but it won't, because those plugins are not "signed." Don't ask me. It's something that kids do these days to make our lives even more difficult, like abolutely requiring Javascript and breaking its implementation from time to time so that websites won't open and look correctly anymore.

Upon investigation, I discovered that there used to be an option in the super secret and banned in 47 states about:config page, where you may have to promise you won't break anything before you can use it (I know, I know, a web browser is an application intended to children no older than 9 years old and I really shouldn't be messing with it, but that's just the way I am. I really like this toy) that used to allow the user to override Mozilla's unquestionably thoughtful foresight and enable unsigned plugins. As it turns out, the Mozilla gestapo does not allow that override anymore. Because they know what is better for me better than myself, I'm pretty sure of that.

I also discovered that Iceweasel is no longer maintained and the one and only, the legitimate Firefox has replaced it.

Well, like I said, I am not a normal person. Very far from it. I have this terrible, untreatable medical condition whereby I think that the browser is absolute shit without my dear plugins. Please don't judge me. I know that kind of behavior is gravely frowned upon. Maybe it can be treated, but my health plan does not cover it. Yes, I checked. So I beg that you overlook my horrible flaws and just help me find something that would come close to the really nice browser that I used to have. A browser that generously supported my folly and extreme disregard for sanity, safety, decency and human life, and just let me use whatever plugin I wanted provided it simply existed and was supposed to run with the exact same browser I was using.

Is there such a thing? I read somewhere at the Mozilla (heil! heil!) website that other variations of their glorious browser may exist which do allow their users to be crazy, reckless, childish and antisocial, and run unsigned plugins. But I can't find them. Can someone please recommend one?

I found one called pcxFirefox. Would that be suitable to my needs?

TIA
 
Old 01-24-2017, 08:03 PM   #2
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It might help if would identify at least some of the plugins that you find essential.
 
Old 01-24-2017, 08:14 PM   #3
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It might help if would identify at least some of the plugins that you find essential.
I want to be able to run whatever the hell I want. I want an override option. This is my machine. Nobody else paid for it.
 
Old 01-24-2017, 08:36 PM   #4
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This is my machine. Nobody else paid for it
I can't argue with that logic.

I also am tired of some of the "for your own good" practices that seem particularly common in certain browsers. As is not unusual, the clueful are paying the price for the clueless.

I have been using Vivaldi heavily in recent weeks, and quite like it as a browser (it is quick and nimble), but it has some very irritating nanny features. It complains about privacy and my information being subject to theft if, for example, I try to connect to im-flipping-db.com. What flipping information other than what's in my user agent string? I'm not logging in, I'm just reading a website (usually looking up the cast of whatever show I might be watching at the moment). Heck, half the time, it blocks the photos of the cast members for no good reason other than that it can, I guess.

I'll shut up now, because my next stop is profanity, but I understand where you are coming from.

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Old 01-24-2017, 11:30 PM   #5
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IceCat is a GNU fork, is maintained, supports same addons as mozilla esr version.
Using it for about two years or so, never got in my way to be honest, but I can't say I'm very demanding.
There were talks about mozilla providing a stripped down unbranded version that needs no addon signatures, but I'm not sure how that ended.
 
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:00 AM   #6
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So I happened to learn about the existence of palemoon after reading an article. I didn't know about it. I've been running it for two days and I'm very happy with it. I have migrated everything including all my dear extensions/plugins, updated logins and cookies, everything is hunky dory. The only glitch is that NoScript won't reload a page automatically after enabling scripts in it. I also had to install old versions of some extensions, but they work. Everything works really well. Bonus: I am reunited with an old theme that I used to love years ago and was not available on Firefox, so there is this sweet touch of nostalgia about this new old browser.

Strange that nobody here mentioned palemoon. I like it a lot. This thread is solved.
 
  


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