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Old 10-26-2003, 05:01 PM   #1
tristure
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lightweight windows managers


Hi,

I'm currently running a Mandrake 9.1 and I used KDE for my first steps in Linux because it looked very friendly.

What disappoints me is that I found it to be really slow... I was a WinXP user and though I like KDE it's really too damn slow for me.

So I wanted to give a shot to other WM to see what was going on. I installed fluxbox, and OK it is fast, really fast. But I do miss some functions:

-first icons : OK that's not the purpose of fluxbox, but I really do miss them. I installed fbdesk but can't make it work properly, and honestly the help I found on-line is too poor for me to keep on trying... I tried to install iDesk, but for a reason I can't figure out, the installation fails... (I get a make Error 1)...

-Then the taskbar : I love to have a taskbar with quick launch icons on it (KDE and Win XP had it and it really felt good).

SO my conclusion is that fluxbox is not really adapted to my needs.

Since it took me so long to install fluxbox (newbie...) I would like to have some advice about other wms! Do you know of any wm that could easily handle desktop icons and provide a quicklaunch bar?

Xfce and fvwm seem to have some adepts... Are they worth a shot? ANy other suggestion?

Thanks a lot.
 
Old 10-26-2003, 05:04 PM   #2
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xfce is of course worth a shot just try it its easy to use and has your taskbar
 
Old 10-26-2003, 05:16 PM   #3
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Icewm would probably fit your specs with the two-line taskbar. It is on the Mdk 9.1 install disks.
 
Old 10-26-2003, 05:24 PM   #4
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blackbox is great and uses very little resources and is on your mandrake cds
 
Old 10-26-2003, 05:51 PM   #5
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I use blackbox, and I find exactly no taskbar there. Am I using an old version?
 
Old 10-26-2003, 09:11 PM   #6
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Cool Another suggestion

Greetings!


I recommend you take a look at Window Maker. It's a rather lightweight WM, does have a quickstart bar, there are many (MANY!!! ) nice themes and I find it generally fun to use. Combine it with a nice terminal emulator (maybe aterm?) and file manager (why not rox filer?) and you have a really fine desktop environment!


Have fun!
 
Old 10-26-2003, 10:02 PM   #7
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If that's really all you want, report your specific errors on the fbdesk thing. It's probably fixable.

As far as quick launch, grab gkrellm and add the GKrellMLaunch plugin. And the next version of flux will have a more functional toolbar, as far as windowing operations. 0.9.6, I think. I tried it for awhile on Slack 9, but it wasn't quite ready for primetime. But what you learn now with 0.1.14 will be mostly applicable if you upgrade.
 
Old 10-26-2003, 10:22 PM   #8
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After experimenting with WindowMaker, Afterstep, Sawfish, Blackbox, fvwm2, XFce4, TWM, and IceWM, I'm more sold than ever on IceWM as being the least obtrusive of all except Blackbox, with great speed, pretty good configurability, well-written documentation, configuration files that are easy to understand and alter--and it has a taskbar, as noted in another post above. The taskbar can auto-hide; you can make it so you never see a trace of IceWM unless you want to. You can have many workspaces and you can even make it so that your applications will always open in the workspaces you want them to, and in the state you want them to (minimized, maximized, top layer, on desktop, etc.)

I found all the other WM's I listed pleasing to work with, but some unduly complicated or ungainly. Blackbox is great, and at least as fast as IceWM, but a little too minimal for me--and no taskbar that I know of.

And another good thing about IceWM is that, to my knowledge, it has never crashed once in the several months I've used it as my main window manager. I had several bad crashes with WindowMaker. My feeling about IceWM is that it's just THERE, and doing its job perfectly without ever calling attention to itself.

One reason I got away from Gnome and KDE desktop environments is their slowness, and another is that their appearance reminded me too much of Windows! I wanted something classier looking, and I found it. In my last months of using Windows, I was even using a third-party shell based on Litestep so I could have a cleaner look and more customization possible.
 
Old 10-27-2003, 05:13 PM   #9
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Thanks a lot for all your suggestions. I've tried IceWM right now and it looks great. I'll just have to try it for a while and make idesk work to have some desktop icons!!!
 
Old 10-27-2003, 05:25 PM   #10
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Originally posted by tristure
Thanks a lot for all your suggestions. I've tried IceWM right now and it looks great. I'll just have to try it for a while and make idesk work to have some desktop icons!!!
Maybe by then you'll have decided you don't need icons after all...

But whatever helps you enjoy your computer the most and get the most out of it--even if it's KDE, go for it! It's great to have lots of choices, unlike those poor folks using that system, what's it called? that's supposedly installed on 95% of the world's PC's...
 
Old 10-27-2003, 08:26 PM   #11
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Maybe by then you'll have decided you don't need icons after all...
I just put my browser, e-mail client and a few other often-used apps in ~/.icewm/toolbar instead of using icons. That way they don't get hidden by open apps..
 
Old 10-27-2003, 08:33 PM   #12
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Originally posted by camelrider
I just put my browser, e-mail client and a few other often-used apps in ~/.icewm/toolbar instead of using icons. That way they don't get hidden by open apps..
That's what I do, too. I use the double-height toolbar so I have the handy "run" window anytime I need it, and I have the applications I use a good deal but don't want in my way all the time, like aumix, a calculator, the gimp, gqview, etc. in the toolbar part of the taskbar. I also have Thunderbird and Firebird in there because for one reason or another I find myself closing and re-opening them pretty often. (I could probably take Thunderbird out, though: it works a lot better than Mozilla mail did, and I don't have to keep restarting it to get it functional again, like I did with every version of Mozilla I used...)

Then I have the taskbar set to auto-hide, and presto! everything's out of my way and I can enjoy my pretty custom wallpapers or play xmahjongg or delete soon-to-be-found-essential programs in peace.
 
Old 10-27-2003, 10:00 PM   #13
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might want to check this out...

http://pekwm.org/

with this:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/tpager/?topic_id=55%2C861

and this:

http://freshmeat.net/projects/hpanel/?topic_id=55

Light and highly configurable... seems like a cross between blackbox and sawfish to me... I use it all the time when I want to get away from ROX.
 
Old 10-27-2003, 11:11 PM   #14
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Personally I like Enlightenment. It sort of reminds me of litestep for windows, which was great.
 
Old 10-27-2003, 11:46 PM   #15
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Personally I like Enlightenment. It sort of reminds me of litestep for windows, which was great.
I used LitestepGL for probably about a year--it was confusing at first but soon I really liked it, and it was almost like having a new (and better!) computer. So that's one thing I enjoy now that I'm exclusively using Linux, the ability to have that kind of clean functional interface instead of a giant corporation in my face all the time....

Enlightenment I find too challenging. I've never been able to get it to run right. But a ton of users swear by it, and it certainly is configurable, if you can get it to work for you. I think even a moderately fast processor is just fine with Enlightenment--I have just a 550 Mhz Pentium III and Enlightenment just zipped along--as much as I could get it to zip.
 
  


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