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Old 10-27-2015, 08:55 PM   #1
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LibreOffice Help not showing images


This is not about images and icons in libreoffice, but about libreoffice help.

It is helpful to see the icon when it is discussed in Help in order to find it on the working page. All I have now is place holders.

Should I uninstall and reinstall?

It may also be relevant that when I installed LM I chose the file type for large files. I read images are sometimes not shown speed things up.

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Old 10-28-2015, 02:56 AM   #2
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a few very basic things are missing

what is the operating system ?
what is the version of the OS?

What version of Libreoffice is it ?
and HOW did you install it ??

i have lo 5 installed and the lo 5.0.2 -help package and the images show up
 
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Old 10-28-2015, 03:02 AM   #3
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It may also be relevant that when I installed LM I chose the file type for large files. I read images are sometimes not shown speed things up.
you are going to have to explain this better (in addition to what john vv requested).
soyou installed linux mint (the default with cinnamon, i s'pose), and in the installer you got what?
and what speeds up what and where did you read that?
 
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Old 10-29-2015, 01:22 PM   #4
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a few very basic things are missing

what is the operating system ?
what is the version of the OS?
Linux Mint 17.2

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Originally Posted by John VV View Post
What version of Libreoffice is it ?
and HOW did you install it ??
I just installed what was available in package manager. In the pkg mgr I got ver "4.4.3~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty1"

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i have lo 5 installed and the lo 5.0.2 -help package and the images show up
Ok, so maybe I remove version I have and install the program and help package you have. I did not know the help pkg was separate from the program itself.

I am downloading ver 5.0.2. The pkg mgr in my OS does not have that available even though my update icon has the green checkmark.



2 questions regarding downloading:

1. Why doesn't the new version show up in pkg mgr? Do I have to extract and open it from the downloads file where I put it? How to I put download it to or put it into package manager?

2. What is the right help file to download? This is the real problem, since it is the only thing so far that is malfunctioning.

screenshot attached of the Help files available at the libreoffice website.
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Old 10-29-2015, 04:43 PM   #5
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1. Why doesn't the new version show up in pkg mgr?
because your linux mint probably hasn't arrived yet at the version that john vv uses, but that is by design!
you should install what is available through your package management!!!
"newest" is not always "best", and i doubt that your problem stems from that anyway.

so the crucial point is, you have to learn to use packet management tools.
i'm sure some sort of software center comes with linux mint.
learn how to use it to keep your system up-to-date, find packages, dependencies and install-recommends (i'm sure libreoffice-help will be an install recommend for libreoffice)
basically you see a list of packages that start with "libreoffice-" or some such, and can make choices which to install.
 
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Old 10-29-2015, 09:27 PM   #6
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because your linux mint probably hasn't arrived yet at the version that john vv uses, but that is by design!
you should install what is available through your package management!!!
"newest" is not always "best", and i doubt that your problem stems from that anyway.

so the crucial point is, you have to learn to use packet management tools.
i'm sure some sort of software center comes with linux mint.
learn how to use it to keep your system up-to-date, find packages, dependencies and install-recommends (i'm sure libreoffice-help will be an install recommend for libreoffice)
basically you see a list of packages that start with "libreoffice-" or some such, and can make choices which to install.
I am by now pretty familiar with package manager.

Package manager shows quite a few libreoffice programs but I don't know which one to choose. My problem here is not with libreoffice but with Libreoffice-help which I think might be a different package.

Do you know which one this is? Would this be core? Probably not the "translator", or the i386 programs. I could just install them all and see what happens, but 200 gbs is not that much space these days so I prefer just installing the right one.

I just tried downloading and installing ver 5 as John VV suggested. I extracted it in downloads and executed some commands in terminal to remove the existing version. But at the end of the day, the old version got reinstalled but without any help program. When i click on help it runs the online version.
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:38 AM   #7
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John VV never suggested that you should install lo 5.
all he wrote was "i have version 5". fyi only.

so, undo that.

then, i don't use linuxmint, but it's based on ubuntu, so i'll give you an example from my lubuntu vm:
http://iki.fi/dt/stuff/lo-help.png

it's a little outdated, so version numbers probably don't match.

i hate *buntus software centers - they are useless.
i suggest you install an actually useful tool like synaptic packet management.
 
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Old 10-31-2015, 10:10 PM   #8
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John VV never suggested that you should install lo 5.
all he wrote was "i have version 5". fyi only.

so, undo that.

then, i don't use linuxmint, but it's based on ubuntu, so i'll give you an example from my lubuntu vm:
http://iki.fi/dt/stuff/lo-help.png

it's a little outdated, so version numbers probably don't match.

i hate *buntus software centers - they are useless.
i suggest you install an actually useful tool like synaptic packet management.
Just checked on synaptic and I have it installed already.

I tried what you did in your screenshot, and typed in "libreoffice help" but nothing comes up.

some files are called productivity suite. A suite is a collection of things, so I wonder if that would have it.
 
Old 10-31-2015, 11:56 PM   #9
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I just found the following commands for libreoffice download and install.

Screenshot attached.

I think the steps are:

1.download to download folder
2. extract

then archive mgr should do the rest. Except that, I tried this method with libreoffice 5 but it did not appear in Package Mgr. (I have 2 sets of useless libreoffice 5 files extracted in Downloads file now. )

How can a downloaded set of files find their way to package mgr for installation, please?
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:17 AM   #10
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1.download to download folder
2. extract
no, no, no, no, NO!
you're doing it wrong.
packet management is the way to install software. fullstop.

if your searches didn't show anything, there's 2 options:

1) you didn't search properly
2) your package management is borked.

have you even ever made an update/grade after installing?
that's the first thing to do usually.

edit:
i just looked at your screenshot.
i'm pretty sure we told you before to not take instructions (outdated, too) from some shady tech blog.
what is so hard about searching linuxmint forums for solutions, or linuxquestions?
as i'm sure i also told you before. gawd.

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Old 11-01-2015, 04:33 PM   #11
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Quote:
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packet management is the way to install software. fullstop.
Unless the specific file I need does not show. Libreoffice Help.

Quote:
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if your searches didn't show anything, there's 2 options:

1) you didn't search properly
Ok then how is a proper search done?

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2) your package management is borked.

have you even ever made an update/grade after installing?
that's the first thing to do usually.
If you mean checking the shield in the lower right corner, yes, I update constantly.

I just checked my menu and I have GDebi Package Installer and Synaptic Package Manager installed.



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edit:
i just looked at your screenshot.
....searching linuxmint forums for solutions, or linuxquestions?
You are sure these forums have the answer, and you are sure the code on the screenshot I posted is incorrect for LM?

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1) you didn't search properly
2) your package management is borked.


You mean I did not search the internet properly for the downloads, or did not search in Package Manager for the programs I had already downloaded?

What are the correct steps, please?:
1. download correct file
2. use synaptic or GDebi
3. ...

(I think we are coming up to the last time you are going to be responding to any of my posts. if answering these questions is getting too stressful for you, you are free to take a break.)

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Old 11-01-2015, 04:59 PM   #12
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(I think we are coming up to the last time you are going to be responding to any of my posts. if answering these questions is getting too stressful for you, you are free to take a break.)
i am actually rather enjoying myself.
 
Old 11-01-2015, 11:41 PM   #13
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normally it is best to use the version in your OS's package manager

as in it is WAY EASIER TO DO THAT
and WAY less stressful

LibreOffice ( and OpenOffice) normally have some CUSTOMIZING done by your OS's developers
Gnome or KDE integration

using the -- for your install -- the deb's on the libreoffice site

you NEED!!!! to read the README file it is in a folder called READMES
this has the install instructions

uninstall the mint version using your package manager first!!!!!!!!!!!!!


for debain os's it is something like
Code:
cd /to/the/location/of/the/debs/to/install
sudo apt-get install *.deb
and repeat for the SECOND help package

then

the EXTRA WORK

you need to blacklist the mint libreoffice from installing AS A DEPENDENCY for something

read the linux mint documentation for that
there "should" be a check box in the package manager for that


so extra work is needed
you ALSO might have to MANUALLY create launchers for the menu but these should be in the correct place ( /usr/share/applications )

if not then YOU have the extra work of making them
 
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:38 AM   #14
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Quote:
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normally it is best to use the version in your OS's package manager

as in it is WAY EASIER TO DO THAT
and WAY less stressful

LibreOffice ( and OpenOffice) normally have some CUSTOMIZING done by your OS's developers
Gnome or KDE integration
....
Thanks for this explanation. You mention 2 approaches here
1. use the version (4.4.x) already present
2. download and install version 5.x

if I go with the first, there should be no reason the icons from HELP should be missing. I no longer have the HELP program since I fiddled around with downloading ver 5 incorrectly. But Help should be in package manager.

Now I have to find the program with both help and its icons.

Before trying your second option, I will try installing various programs from there

I have attached the screenshot of all the libreoffice pgms.

Three programs I am guessing might be right are:
- libreoffice-common arch-independent file
- libreoffice-base-core shared library
- libreoffice-core arch-independent file

When I click on libreoffice-common (arch independent files) it says it is a near drop in replacement for microsoft office. It says installing it will remove
libreoffice-base-core,
libreoffice,
libreoffice-emailmerge,
libreoffice-writer,
libreoffice-impress,
libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer,
libreoffice-base,
libreoffice-draw,
libreoffice-core,
libreoffice-report-builder-bin,
python3-uno,
libreoffice-java-common,
libreoffice-base-drivers,
libreoffice-math,
libreoffice-calc


Since I need to use libreoffice calc and writer, i am assuming this would not be good move.

The next option, libreoffice-base-core is described:

"This package contains libdba, a common library of the LibreOffice suite used by Base, Writer and Calc.

If you need full Base functionality (or actual database drivers), please install libreoffice-base."

(Is this my problem here, that I do not have a database driver?)

If I install this, it says"The following packages would be removed: libreoffice, libreoffice-writer, libreoffice-base, libreoffice-report-builder-bin, libreoffice-calc"

Well, package manager says this is already installed but I still have writer and calc working, If they were removed by this program, why are they still here?

There is no libreoffice-base listed in package mgr.

Package manager says I already have Libreoffice-core installed.

It also says that if I install it:
The following packages would be removed: libreoffice-base-core, libreoffice, libreoffice-writer, libreoffice-impress, libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer, libreoffice-base, libreoffice-draw, libreoffice-report-builder-bin, python3-uno, libreoffice-base-drivers, libreoffice-math, libreoffice-calc

But I still have writer and calc.

Another program is
libreoffice-java-common

which I already have installed.

there is a small blue box on these packages saying that to open libreoffice I need Java SE 6 runtime. would you like to install it now?

Could not having this be the problem with HELP?
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Old 11-06-2015, 02:51 PM   #15
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I just learned from this site:
http://linuxnewbieguide.org/?page_id=106
that synaptic package mgr is not the same as package manager.

Going into synaptic package manager yields the following results:

There are 2 ways at least to find libre office packages.

I. Administration--> synaptic package mgr --> sections -->
databases--> libreoffice


screenshot provided


libreoffice packages installed:
- libreoffice base
- libreoffice connectivity drive

not checked:

-firebird SDBC driver for libreoffice
- HSQLDB SDBC driver for libreoffice

II. Second method to access libreoffice packages:
Then if I type libreoffice into the synpacmgr search box I get at least 100 possible packages.

screenshot provided

Since I am looking for the icons included in libreoffice HELP, and icons are images/graphics, I assume I would look for packages with the words, graphics or images or logo in them.

-Graphic filter module for libreoffice is checked meaning it is already installed
- Images module for libreoffice is checked therefore already installed.

screenshot enclosed.

One package not installed is Formula Editor Improvements for libreoffice

Any assistance in finding the package that will installed the images in HELP is appreciated.

I have now spent over an hour researching this, so I need to take a 2 hour break watching a movie to recuperate.

Since there was no response to my last post, I assume this thread may be abandoned. If there is no response to this post I will mark it resolved and move on.
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