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Old 06-30-2004, 11:51 AM   #1
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KDE and Start Up issues.

I am running Mandrake 10 and I am also running KDE as my Desktop environment. I am having a strange problem where when I log in as my user and the KDE initialization screen comes up it stops at "Initializing system services". I have waited an hour to see if it is just slow but to no avail. It stops loading at 28% every time

I loged in as root and all is normal, so I created another user and loged in as that user and KDE was fine loading. It is only the one user, It will not load KDE.

KDE 3.2

If anyone is (or has) this problem let me know so i can try to resolve it...



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Old 06-30-2004, 12:09 PM   #2
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Did you made a upgrade?
I believe there is something in your home causing it.
To solve create a new user and move your personal stuff to a /home/newuser/
I hope it works.
Old 06-30-2004, 12:19 PM   #3
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I had this problem after incorrectly installing fluxbox, did you install anything before the problem started?
Old 07-01-2004, 12:07 PM   #4
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Thanks for the replies,

I did make another user and moved all of my files to the new users home folder, unfortunately what ever caused the first issue apparently caused my network settings to get all screwey. I was able to ping my machine from another but could not ping out to any machine. I had a friend connect to X and he had no problems but I still could not access any network resources or the internet.

Since then I have trashed and re-installed and all... Since then I have got the network back up and am now on my way to re-installing NdisWrapper (which was a pain my first go at it, but I got it to work{wireless})

My new issue with the fresh install is that I have no sound! My sound card is detected and seems to be properly configured but no noise.

If you have any suggestions on the sound issue, let me know. Sound worked great in the first install but this one is no-go.

Linux is hard and I am a REAL new-b so forgive my rambleing...

Old 07-01-2004, 04:39 PM   #5
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Mdk 10 over Mdk 8.2


I too have had problems with Mdk 10.0. Until last Wednesday I was using 9.0 upgraded over Mdk 8.2 and 2.4.18-x Enterprise so I could use Win4Lin. I decided to archive some data and then blow out 8.2/9.0 and go cold turkey to 10.0. 10.0 IS nice, especially with the ability to log into another x session with Xnest. I see that from 8.2 on forward (and maybe earlier) I could have used Xnest or something like it in Gnome, but it doesn't work in 8.2/10.0.

I ran into problems when I decided to take the 8.2 disk and copy the RPM for the 2.4.18 kernel into the 10.0 structure. I really REALLY am disappointed that Mandrake got rid of the ability to "Upgrade Packages Only" (the exact name I forget) option and only leave behind "Upgrade" and "Install".

After booting into 2.4.18 Win4Lin modded kernel, the Xserver tries to start. It hiccups, then crashes back to the console.

It shows:

Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586
Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk on an i686 / tty1
machinename login:

When I log in and restart the Xserver (actually, it's already running),

the clock/cursor image appears and is immovable. A mini-console in the upper left shows:

"Could not start kdeinint. Check your installation."

I switch to another console and as root kill the process so it won't hang the laptop after a 20 minute or so wait.

The screen returns with a long line of stuff:

>Warning: Symbol map for key <AB04> redefined
Using last definition for conflicting fields

This line repeats, incrementing AB05 to AB09, then shows <BKSL>, <LCDT> and <SPCE>

Then, it continues with:

"Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server

waiting from X server to shut down"

Then, I am back at the command prompt.

As root, I rooted around in /etc/X11 and tried to run xdm, kde, startx, etc, and eventually ran mcc to edit the video server settings, all to no avail. Generally, the settings return correctly or show Unknown, but nothing will be allowed to commit.

I resorted to just either deleting XF86Config-4 or replacing it, trying to get SOME form of X functionality.

Hint: Running xdm doesn't *appear* to do anything except do what startx does.

Here is the graphical environment.

Graphic Card: ATI Rage Mobility
Monitor: Flat Panel 1024x768
Resolution: 1024x768 24bpp

I run "Test" but the screen locks and I have to Ctrl+Backspace to get out.

Also, another hint:

When I cd over to /etc/X11/gdm and run "./Xsession" (without the quotes, of course, I get:

"./XSession: Beginning session setup...
/usr/bin/zenity: error while loading shared libraries: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14

/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.real: error while loading shared libaries: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Error 14

[root@machinename gdm]#

There was another error, too, along the lines of the file named "libGLs0.0", which of course is unfindable.

I have more issues with this upgrade, but what I found interesting with the 10.0 over 8.2 (bypassing 9.1) is that IPCHAINS remained intact and I was able to run both fwbuilder AS WELL AS gfcc, both of which I like from a graphical standpoint, but both of which Mdk 9.0 promptly rips out in the name of conflicts and then for compatibility or such tells me to run /sbin/ipchains for compatibility.


I am wondering if KDE.or messed up, or if NeTraverse and the various distro makers colluded to BREAK backwards compatibility with Win4Lin-enabled or -friendly kernels so that Win4Lin could get more business out of the upgrades. I am being conspiratorial or cynical but I am really PISSED that my Mdk 10.0 box SAYS I can demon Win4Lin 5.0, but really all the damn thing includes is an INSTALLER, but not a BINARY. This wretch then FORCES me to log on to NeTraverse's site, whereupon I find out I don't have any Win4Lin-enabled kernels, and that I didn't get one (or maybe one isn't avail for) 2.4.19.

I guess I have to go fork over $100 to a local store

---------LOGGING IN WITH 2.4.19--------

Maybe I need a "generic binary kernel"?

2.4.19 starts, but doesn't have any sound!

To regain the mouse, I had to tab over and reset it, since the track pad was non-responsive.

Generally, with sound problems in my last setup, I had to manually delete /dev/dsp and monkey with the Threaded Open Sound System settings, only to get told:

"Sound server informational message:
Error while initialiizn the sound driver:
device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Is a directory)
The sound server will continue, using the null output device."

Normally, jiggering with it resolves it, mainly by my switching among the various sound servers and then going back to TOSS.

Another thread for this, perhaps?

FWIW, I have yet to get a reply from either Mandrake or NeTraverse, mainly about questions related to this problem. From Mandrake I want to know WHY they broke from the 8.2/9.0 style of upgrade options. From NeTraverse, I want to know WHY they don't package a time-out version of the W4L-enabled kernel and WHY they have such a H*rdon for forcing people to deal with premature loggin in (If I rebuild, I FIRST ensure W4L is working, and ONLY then do I proceed with my 9.0 over 8.2 upgrade., based on prior hardships...)

David Syes
Old 07-01-2004, 05:06 PM   #6
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Digital Kidd####, check this out:

A post on might be of assistance to others:

"Re: startkde: Could not start kdeinit.
by Ken Y. on Friday 23/Apr/2004, @03:56


I went into the 3.2.1 directory and noticed that qt 3.3.1 was included in that build, but it wasn't included in 3.2.2. My guess is that if you didn't install 3.2.1 first, you would have these problems. I am going to download the qt and install them with the kde packages on a fresh install of fedora. I will let you all know what I find out. If it works, then i know what my problem was. In my case I was upgrading 3.1 to 3.2.2 and my qt was probably out of date as 3.2 requires at least qt 3.2.3.


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Re: startkde: Could not start kdeinit.
by Ken Y. on Friday 23/Apr/2004, @04:28


That worked. You need to get the three qt rpms from 3.2.1 and install them first before upgrading to kde 3.2.2. You may be able to fix your problem by just installing those three packages using the following command.

sudo rpm -Uvh qt*.rpm --force --nodeps

Then install the kde rpms


However, if i keep having problems, I guess I will have to go out and help the economy via my purchasing a copy or Win4Lin 5.0. I just hope the box contains support for my kernels present in my Mdk 10.0 May 2004 distro. I have a funny feeling that the W4L 5.0 boxes at the store contain the year 2003 kernels, and that I'll be forced into more rigmarole.


David Syes


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