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mmurch01 04-03-2004 01:58 PM

KDE and installing new programs
 
When I install a new program via RPM in SuSE 9.0 using YaST and KDE for windows management, it never adds a shortcut to my "KDE Start menu" (dont know what else to call it) and I'm curious as to why this occurs. I would also like to know if it is possible to config the install to add it automatically for me if it is possible using RPM.

Also, is it possible to get a version of Linux that doesn't have a retarded time with dependancies....?


Thanks in advance!

leonscape 04-03-2004 02:12 PM

I think SusE should do this normally. maybe somethings blocking it. Try using the Menu Update Tool, it maybe able to clear the problem ( Also find any programs that aren't currently in the menu. ) Any links you have inserted yourself, can block the system.

Debian does this, Even for non KDE programs ( It has a a seprate submenu called Debian for other programs. ) Debian also has the best package management system, dependancy hell hasn't bothered me since I switched.

jailbait 04-03-2004 02:18 PM

"When I install a new program via RPM in SuSE 9.0 using YaST and KDE for windows management, it never adds a shortcut to my "KDE Start menu" (dont know what else to call it)
and I'm curious as to why this occurs."

The menu entries are created by SuSE install scripts. When the developers put togather a distribution package which eventually becomes a SuSE rpm they don't know anything about what distribution menu system, if any, will be on the system where the package is eventually installed.

"I would also like to know if it is possible to config the install to add it automatically for me if it is possible using RPM. "

No. Right click on your "KDE Start menu" and click on Menu Editor and you can edit your menu.

"Also, is it possible to get a version of Linux that doesn't have a retarded time with dependancies....?"

No. The dependencies system is inherent in the fact that Linux is developed by a lot of independent developers who are free to choose which other packages they will interface with.

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JaseP 04-03-2004 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leonscape
I think SusE should do this normally. maybe somethings blocking it. Try using the Menu Update Tool, it maybe able to clear the problem ( Also find any programs that aren't currently in the menu. ) Any links you have inserted yourself, can block the system.

SuSE will only do this for packages specifically created for SuSE...

Other than that, you have to manually edit your menu and/or icons on the desktop.

rmanocha 04-03-2004 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jailbait
No. The dependencies system is inherent in the fact that Linux is developed by a lot of independent developers who are free to choose which other packages they will interface with.

Well if you go with Debian(or one is its off-shoots) then you will not have to really take care of all these dependencies...apt will take care of them for you.infact isnt there an apt version available for RPM's already?You should give it a shot.It will ease ur life significantly.

jailbait 04-03-2004 03:55 PM

"Well if you go with Debian(or one is its off-shoots) then you will not have to really take care of all these dependencies...apt will take care of them for you.infact isnt there an apt version available for RPM's already?You should give it a shot.It will ease ur life significantly."

apt and YaST are very similar.

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mmurch01 04-03-2004 03:58 PM

I have APT installed and synaptic which is really cool. The problem I'm running into is because I'm a dummy, and am having a hard time finding a good source url for rpms. (Example: I was installing mplayer via synaptic, and with the default sources.list file, there were no servers with mplayer available. I found one with mplayer on it, added it to the list and started installing it, but the server that it was on did not have one of the programs that mplayer is dependent on, so it could not be installed.)
Fun stuff.

But anyway, finding a good source url is a pain in the ass, and apt should have a very robust sources.list file with many different sources so that things workl more smoothly for the n00bs out here like me.

rmanocha 04-03-2004 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jailbait
"Well if you go with Debian(or one is its off-shoots) then you will not have to really take care of all these dependencies...apt will take care of them for you.infact isnt there an apt version available for RPM's already?You should give it a shot.It will ease ur life significantly."

apt and YaST are very similar.

I started off using linux with suse 8.1,moved on to 8.2,and then to debian....and in my experience YAST was never what apt is like...it did not even come close for me(maybe i was doing something wrong).
i would still say...go for apt.

rmanocha 04-03-2004 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mmurch01
I have APT installed and synaptic which is really cool. The problem I'm running into is because I'm a dummy, and am having a hard time finding a good source url for rpms. (Example: I was installing mplayer via synaptic, and with the default sources.list file, there were no servers with mplayer available. I found one with mplayer on it, added it to the list and started installing it, but the server that it was on did not have one of the programs that mplayer is dependent on, so it could not be installed.)
Fun stuff.

But anyway, finding a good source url is a pain in the ass, and apt should have a very robust sources.list file with many different sources so that things workl more smoothly for the n00bs out here like me.

http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/
have you checked this site out.They claim to have over 5000 rpm's for suse 9.0
Maybe this will help you.You should google for such stuff.This was the first result i got on googling for apt rpm mplayer source.

leonscape 04-03-2004 04:08 PM

Debian, doesn't like the licenses and some other stuff from MPlayer ( I think thats the problem ). So to use MPlayer add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file

Code:

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
If your not using unstable replace it with either testing or stable. Now apt-get install MPlayer

Edit:
Missread the posts ignore me :)

mmurch01 04-03-2004 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leonscape
Debian, doesn't like the licenses and some other stuff from MPlayer ( I think thats the problem ). So to use MPlayer add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file

Code:

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
If your not using unstable replace it with either testing or stable. Now apt-get install MPlayer

Edit:
Missread the posts ignore me :)

Is it ok to use a Debian source url with SuSE?


Quote:

Originally posted by rmanocha
http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/
have you checked this site out.They claim to have over 5000 rpm's for suse 9.0
Maybe this will help you.You should google for such stuff.This was the first result i got on googling for apt rpm mplayer source.
Of course I have. Thanks though.

rmanocha 04-03-2004 04:20 PM

no..debian sources cannot be used for rpms.Debian does not use rpm and its defualt package manager.

ima 04-03-2004 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rmanocha
http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/
have you checked this site out.They claim to have over 5000 rpm's for suse 9.0

Hey rmanocha,
Thanks for that link. Very useful!


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