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Old 07-03-2006, 02:47 AM   #31
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Java may be/IS powerful but i have found that major companies do not tend to use is as it lacks on the spot error/syntax (etc) checks. For example if an air trafic control was to have a program created using java and was in a rush to use it, the person who made it forgets to declare x *BAM!* dead, and you wouldn't know until you ran the program and got to that situation. Programs like C/C++ VB etc have all that built in.

It would also mean that they would have to use a SUN powered product which i spose would look kinda cheap. MS wouldn't make word etc with java, platform independent means it is special to them, they have created it all... they can then sell ported version to OS's like mac. If everything was to be compatible with everything it would be a perfect word, but it would mean people lose out on money.... and im sure you wount see Mac especially giving up some extra cash/market. Its a money driven world.
 
Old 07-03-2006, 05:55 PM   #32
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Certainly more Linux users potentially would own iPods and buy music on iTunes if they could use the program. However, the question still stands, are there enough people they would reach in the Linux market to justify developing and supporting the software on the platform? Apple apparently does not think so. It is a simple matter of accounting, until they believe the market is big enough to justify all the costs they won't do it.
I think better have a small market than have no market, but your point is, as you said, still true. Personally I own 2 iPods, and never used iTunes to use them, so for me, the fact that there's no iTunes for Linux is nothing so crutial

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Yes, but that doesn't change the fact Apple doesn't develop Quicktime for Linux current does it? They could build iTunes around mplayer, but again, there were be a large learning curve for there iTunes development team.
Same as before. Why use Quicktime when you can use a single player that can play all formats? Even if it were a QuickTime for Linux, i woulnd't use it. Actually, I haven't used QuickTime in Macintosh either because it can only read one format, in front of several that can play MPlayer.

So, is really THAT important to have iTune for Linux?? I really don't think so. Linux community is mature enough to develop their own apps to counter the lack of propietary software. That is what makes Linux great.
 
Old 07-03-2006, 08:27 PM   #33
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the part that is lame is I have about 30-40 songs I bought off Itunes. Not many, but enough to be an announance that I now can't play them after having switched to Linux. I don't really feel like burning them to CD and reripping, if only on the princple that I paid for that music and now they are hastling me more than if I had gone out and stolen it. That is a rediculous proposition. I know everyone here will agree with that, but I hate the fact all these RIAA sponsored laws will pass becuase they have a bundle of money, and the lawmakers don't know anything about technology. I doubt anyone elected to Congress in my situtation could disagree with me, but they just don't know becuase they don't do the things we do with computers.
 
Old 07-03-2006, 08:30 PM   #34
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for the record I am using Banshee and it works well as a replacement, and if you have to strip DRM there are programs for that too.
 
Old 08-27-2006, 08:45 AM   #35
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it goes against apple's philosophy of locking their users to a protected market (drm based music), linux is open source, and apple stuff certainly isn't! that is where the clash is i think
 
Old 08-27-2006, 04:50 PM   #36
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the problem, as stated, is the money involved. they have to rewrite itunes from scratch basically to make it work with linux. as far as i know, linux doesnt support all that eye candy. just about all they could keep from the original program would be the ipod syncing libraries which took me about a day and a half to write (for my ipod extracter program)

so *shrug* i guess if you really wanted to you could start a company and beg them for the source code?? ha idk
 
Old 03-29-2008, 11:38 AM   #37
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Of course Mac is afraid of us, or at least non sympathetic. Linux and the Sourceforge community make people believe that the apps they use should be free. Granted users of Sourceforge on windows are a greater threat. Windows users that use only free software will never go to mac. Most people would if it was popular enough and people didn't believe in free software. But if they won't stand for proprietary software being everything they use they will never go. I still agree with someone up there. Providing itunes for Linux increases music sales, and that would make it the right decision for apple. I don't think it is a cost-benefit thing keeping mac from porting itunes to Linux, it wouldn't be that hard to provide it.
 
Old 03-29-2008, 05:19 PM   #38
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Hmmm... I think that photoshop is understandable, Adobe must figure, "Oh, they have GIMP. Why would some open source nerds pay for this?" apple, however, does not make sense. If Apple's UNIX core is that resembling to Linux, then it would not be terribly hard to make a linux port for it. Apple's new itunes license makes it ILLEGAL to use music obtained from itunes on a "Non-apple-approved-device," or, as I interpret it, "Trusty, Never-Failing, Fine Linux Box." :P I think that they are just trying to make Linux less popular because it is cooler that Mac, and must be unheard-of for their product to sell.

I HATE APPLE!!!!!! >
 
Old 03-29-2008, 08:35 PM   #39
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Well ... I don't think that most large corporations provide for Linux, unfortunately. If you want Linux, you have to give up a lot of stuff (provided you can't emulate it). But, for every piece of software out there for Windows / Mac, there are several for Linux.
 
Old 03-29-2008, 08:51 PM   #40
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[QUOTE=robgig1088;2397848]the problem, as stated, is the money involved. they have to rewrite itunes from scratch basically to make it work with linux. as far as i know, linux doesnt support all that eye candy. /QUOTE]

I don't understand what you mean by linux does not support all that eye candy. I don't see how itunes has so much eye candy.
 
Old 03-29-2008, 09:31 PM   #41
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Apple should use Java for writing iTunes. I do not know why people still use some platform dependent stuff. Go for mediachest.sf.net if you have multiple systems.
I'm sure I'm part of the minority but every java app I've ever used was slow and buggy. I admin some enterprise apps at work written on the java platform and they would have been much better if they were written in .net or even c++.

Admittedly, some of the web-based java modules can perform some amazing things and I like the whole java-vm/cross-platform idea, but I've just never had good luck with the java apps.

Just the viewpoint of a user. I'm going to go put on my asbestos undies now.
 
Old 03-29-2008, 10:44 PM   #42
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I'm sure I'm part of the minority but every java app I've ever used was slow and buggy. I admin some enterprise apps at work written on the java platform and they would have been much better if they were written in .net or even c++.

Admittedly, some of the web-based java modules can perform some amazing things and I like the whole java-vm/cross-platform idea, but I've just never had good luck with the java apps.

Just the viewpoint of a user. I'm going to go put on my asbestos undies now.
You experience has no corellation with Java, it is just matter of developers who used it. Eclipse IDE is a good example well created Java application, most people even have no idea that it is Java. I know that most Linux iPod managers are extremely buggy and unstable but Java. I use Java iPod manager on Linux and never had a single problem. Actually creation a good quality Java application requires less efforts and experience than do the same on C. For this reason many Java application created by people with limited skills. Those people couldn't create a C application at all. So it is why you struggling with bad quality of Java applications.
 
Old 03-29-2008, 11:14 PM   #43
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Apple should use Java for writing iTunes. I do not know why people still use some platform dependent stuff. Go for mediachest.sf.net if you have multiple systems.
That has got to be the worst idea I've heard in a long time. Java is not as platform independent as people think for one. For two, most people cannot write efficient programs in Java. Three, they're inefficient programs run like crap due to Java being an interpreted language (ever try running programs that use Swing on a Pentium MMX?, P II?, Mac OS 9?).

And, I don't see it being too terribly difficult to port a UNIX program to Linux (yes, Mac OS 10.5 on IA-32 was certified UNIX by the Open Group). One user above mentioned eye-candy. Linux supports just as much eye-candy as the Mac does. And plenty of Linux/BSD/IRIX/etc would be very happy to use iTunes or buy music over iTunes to transfer to their iPod. If Apple wanted to port the program (they ported it to Windows after all), they could.
 
Old 03-30-2008, 12:25 AM   #44
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You experience has no corellation with Java, it is just matter of developers who used it. Eclipse IDE is a good example well created Java application, most people even have no idea that it is Java.
Well there's the problem right there. If you need an IDE, chances are you're doing it wrong.


I'm saying Java is garbage because it's slower than a C compiled program and it breaks a lot. Either you need another JRE or the "ones" you have installed are breaking one another. Sun is always trying to autoupdate and end users always end up having 6 different versions of java installed. Will my app work with the new JRE that another app needs to run? Who knows? Probably not.

Then you've got bad programmers to deal with; of course, this was/is always an issue though so I don't know how valid it is.

I don't know java, nor do I care to learn, there are already plenty of other cross platform languages. Java deployment is a cluster $&%@ and the sysadmins that have to deal with it are beginning to see this.

But I digress.

Last edited by 3rods; 03-30-2008 at 12:27 AM.
 
Old 03-30-2008, 08:12 PM   #45
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Ahh ... here you go: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page

Not the same as Apple's solution perhaps ... but hey, if it's Linux it's better, right?

Also, you can always try to run iTunes via WINE. I haven't gotten it to work, but I'm sure someone has.

And if you get some sort of DLL error: http://www.dll-files.com/
 
  


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