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is wine pointless?
i have recently installed wine for mandrake 7.2 and i am not shure if it is working at all although i admit that i have no idea what i am doing like when i insert a windows cd such as the sims or other games i get nothing. Am i supposed do something else besides trying to run the setup file can somebody help me? Also i have purchased micromedia studio does anybody know if their is any way i can install it is linux?
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In short: yes, for what you are trying to do is pointless.
Wine is not yet a stable product; even when the wine development will be much more mature I doubt that you will be able to install & run windows applications on linux that easily. TODO: install the required application in windows mount the windows part in your file tree configure wine run the application Regards, Razvan M :Pengy: http://counter.li.org |
you *just* installed mandrake 7.2? you *really* need to upgrade.... that's about 2 years old at least now, things move fast in linux...
generally speaking though wine isn't pointless, it just doesn't work. |
Actually if you use CrossOver on Xandros they have it set up so yeah you just put the CD in and it autoruns the setup program. For supported apps (ie MS Office/Lotus Notes etc) it all works just like it would on Windows. Your problem is that
a) You're using a very old version b) That app isn't yet supported. |
I keep hearing that you need to pay $15 to transgaming to get a version that will run setup.exe files off the CD.
Has anyone paid them and tried it that way? I dl'd wine from the CVS repository at transgaming (free) and compiled it. I have been able to run UT (installed under window 2k, mounted on RH8) on RH8 perfectly. I have not had any luck with running install from CD under RH8. |
I'm using wine under Debian sid. Installed Delta Force in Linux (using "wine /cdrom/dfsetup.exe"). It runs great (using "wine ~/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/NovaLogic/Delta\ Force/df.exe). That's the only program, so far, that I can get to work under wine, but, hey!, it's a start...
Just look on the cdrom to find the name of the setup program (in this case dfsetup.exe) and type wine /path/to/filename.exe See if it installs. If it does, find the prgram file and try to run it with a similar command. Sometimes it works, most times it won't. HTH |
I have Mathcad 8 working relatively well under Wine and RH8 (as well as it worked under Win98). The only problem is that it crashes when I try to print. The major hurdle with Wine (other than it not working) is setting up the false C drive. Go to www.frankscorner.org/wine/ and download WineTools. It has a neat tool that sets up the C drive for you. Good luck.
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wine is an emulator. What this means the program reads the programs or tries to execute it. Then converts in to code that LINUX understands. Some programs work and other programs don't. There are other programs that work better than wine. One is Win4Lin. It is a good program that runs many programs. I haven't try it. Another program is VMware. VMware makes a virtual machine on your computer so the OS and programs with in it can work purely in its own form. In VMware you have to install the OS and install the programs. There is no 3D support and VESA display support in VMware so you need to ask the game developer for command line switches to run the game in window mode and to setup software rendering. A third alternative is bochs. Bochs is like VMware but its under development. It has the same feature like VMware but the user can setup infinite system configs (Pentium Pro, dual processor, 486, 386, etc). Bochs need to be compiled before running. VMware doesn't need to be compile.
VMware - http://www.vmware.com Bochs - http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ Win4Lin - http://www.netraverse.com/ |
Note VMWare is a commercial product.
Bochs is a software emulator, it emulates even the CPU, so is sloooow ... |
Bochs is not a emumlator. Its a virtual machine. There is a difference. Bochs and VMware are similar in their operation.
VMware works flawless though it cost a lot. Bochs needs to be compile and configure to run properly. For a novice LINUX person Bochs will take a long time to setup. VMware is easier. Install it, configure a drive or image drive, install OS. Download each program and see what program works for you. Any program that you use will be slow because it is using software to handle most of the machine's commands. |
things that run under fresh CVS wine rebuilt nearly every day,
and considerably well, while not perfectly: TreadMarks 1.6 Alice Jedi Knight 2 Return to Castle Wolfenstein couple other games... forgot, since i don't play them WinMX IrfanView Winamp & lots of plugins, very nice OpenGL visuals WinRAR QuickTime Player Trillian FileZilla Frhed VirtualDub TMPGEnc TieraZon Calculator Norton Ghost Explorer Media Player (the crummy old one) the Windows 98 Control Panel... wine "C:\Windows\Rundll32.exe" -- C:\\Windows\\System\\shell32.dll,Control_RunDLL hence it is NOT USELESS!!! and a lot of the errors I get that keep me from running twice as many apps are due to my lack of a very sharp configuration. in case anyone cares, here's the autopilot wine builder, which assumes you have a wine source snapshot, extracted into /usr/src/wine, the CVS dirs extracted into the source, and CVS installed for updating Code:
echo "Started total WINE rebuild/update at:" >> ~/winetime && clock >> ~/winetimechmod +x /bin/newwine put /opt/wine/bin in your PATH, in /etc/profile... and lastly, echo "/opt/wine/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf logout and back in to refresh the environment. all that must be done only once. as many times as you want the good stuff, type newwine on the prompt, type "cvs" for a password, and watch it go!! (anyone know a proper way to track the passage of time during execution of a command?) it's "time", it works great. "time make depend all install" |
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"Bochs: The Open Source IA-32 Emulation Project" Bochs EMULATE the CPU, VMWare NOT. Bochs can run M$ Windows, say on alpha CPU. VMWare NOT. |
Why do so many people run UT under wine when the game is ported to linux? There is the loki installer and patches available.
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Its pointless now that I installed glibc2.3 . Its really making me mad.
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I've seem Wine working fine once you have the game installed under Windows and then call it up on Linux using Wine. This just shows how pointless and hard to cofigure Wine is... If you are going to play games, then boot at windows and play it :). Win2k takes about 600 megas of you hard drive. M$ systems are crappy but they do, work great with games, once the games are made for them. Why should I keep fighting with libraries, fighting with installation, fighting with wine crashes if the main point of a game is to have fun? :). Besides, WineX is not following the "Free Open Software" thing for Linux...
There are things that only M$ does for you... to the others, use Linux :) |
Oh yeah, don't think that I hate Wine or anything. I hope one day Wine will be good, fast, stable, userfrienly so I wont need to use M$ when I buy a hot new game as Postal 2 :). Or my favorite of all Times, Diablo Series. But so far, very very very few peoples could get it to run "just ok". It's still a long way to go though and I would happily pay them if they offer a good product, not a beta test one. If it's to use a beta, slow product, then I stick with Win2k for games :).
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i would hope that software companies would make native clients for linux someday instead of being "developers, developers, developers (ha ha ha!)" for microshit!
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Microsoft aren't that bad, Windows may not be the most secure OS (understatement I know), but Office is rather good you have to admit.
As the saying goes, UNIX was built from the ground up, Windows was made from the top down. Top meaning the GUI of course, bottom referring to efficient and solid code. That's not to say *nix is impenetrable and Windows isn't just a name. |
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