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is wine pointless?

i have recently installed wine for mandrake 7.2 and i am not shure if it is working at all although i admit that i have no idea what i am doing like when i insert a windows cd such as the sims or other games i get nothing. Am i supposed do something else besides trying to run the setup file can somebody help me? Also i have purchased micromedia studio does anybody know if their is any way i can install it is linux?

In short: yes, for what you are trying to do is pointless.
Wine is not yet a stable product; even when the wine development will be much more mature I doubt that you will be able to install & run windows applications on linux that easily.

TODO:
install the required application in windows
mount the windows part in your file tree
configure wine
run the application

Regards,
Razvan M

:Pengy:
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you *just* installed mandrake 7.2? you *really* need to upgrade.... that's about 2 years old at least now, things move fast in linux...

generally speaking though wine isn't pointless, it just doesn't work.

Actually if you use CrossOver on Xandros they have it set up so yeah you just put the CD in and it autoruns the setup program. For supported apps (ie MS Office/Lotus Notes etc) it all works just like it would on Windows. Your problem is that

a) You're using a very old version
b) That app isn't yet supported.

I keep hearing that you need to pay $15 to transgaming to get a version that will run setup.exe files off the CD.

Has anyone paid them and tried it that way?

I dl'd wine from the CVS repository at transgaming (free) and compiled it. I have been able to run UT (installed under window 2k, mounted on RH8) on RH8 perfectly.

I have not had any luck with running install from CD under RH8.

I'm using wine under Debian sid. Installed Delta Force in Linux (using "wine /cdrom/dfsetup.exe"). It runs great (using "wine ~/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/NovaLogic/Delta\ Force/df.exe). That's the only program, so far, that I can get to work under wine, but, hey!, it's a start...

Just look on the cdrom to find the name of the setup program (in this case dfsetup.exe) and type

wine /path/to/filename.exe

See if it installs. If it does, find the prgram file and try to run it with a similar command. Sometimes it works, most times it won't.

HTH

I have Mathcad 8 working relatively well under Wine and RH8 (as well as it worked under Win98). The only problem is that it crashes when I try to print. The major hurdle with Wine (other than it not working) is setting up the false C drive. Go to www.frankscorner.org/wine/ and download WineTools. It has a neat tool that sets up the C drive for you. Good luck.

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Originally posted by acid_kewpie
you *just* installed mandrake 7.2? you *really* need to upgrade.... that's about 2 years old at least now, things move fast in linux...

No.. he said he "just" installed wine for mandy 7.2.

:)

L8rz

wine is an emulator. What this means the program reads the programs or tries to execute it. Then converts in to code that LINUX understands. Some programs work and other programs don't. There are other programs that work better than wine. One is Win4Lin. It is a good program that runs many programs. I haven't try it. Another program is VMware. VMware makes a virtual machine on your computer so the OS and programs with in it can work purely in its own form. In VMware you have to install the OS and install the programs. There is no 3D support and VESA display support in VMware so you need to ask the game developer for command line switches to run the game in window mode and to setup software rendering. A third alternative is bochs. Bochs is like VMware but its under development. It has the same feature like VMware but the user can setup infinite system configs (Pentium Pro, dual processor, 486, 386, etc). Bochs need to be compiled before running. VMware doesn't need to be compile.

VMware - http://www.vmware.com
Bochs - http://bochs.sourceforge.net/
Win4Lin - http://www.netraverse.com/

Note VMWare is a commercial product.

Bochs is a software emulator, it emulates even the CPU, so is sloooow ...

Bochs is not a emumlator. Its a virtual machine. There is a difference. Bochs and VMware are similar in their operation.

VMware works flawless though it cost a lot. Bochs needs to be compile and configure to run properly. For a novice LINUX person Bochs will take a long time to setup. VMware is easier. Install it, configure a drive or image drive, install OS.

Download each program and see what program works for you. Any program that you use will be slow because it is using software to handle most of the machine's commands.

things that run under fresh CVS wine rebuilt nearly every day,
and considerably well, while not perfectly:

TreadMarks 1.6
Alice
Jedi Knight 2
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
couple other games... forgot, since i don't play them

WinMX
IrfanView
Winamp & lots of plugins, very nice OpenGL visuals
WinRAR
QuickTime Player
Trillian
FileZilla
Frhed
VirtualDub
TMPGEnc
TieraZon
Calculator
Norton Ghost Explorer
Media Player (the crummy old one)
the Windows 98 Control Panel... wine "C:\Windows\Rundll32.exe" -- C:\\Windows\\System\\shell32.dll,Control_RunDLL

hence it is NOT USELESS!!!
and a lot of the errors I get that keep me from running twice as many apps are due to my lack of a very sharp configuration.

in case anyone cares, here's the autopilot wine builder, which assumes you have a wine source snapshot, extracted into /usr/src/wine, the CVS dirs extracted into the source, and CVS installed for updating

Code:

echo "Started total WINE rebuild/update at:" >> ~/winetime && clock >> ~/winetime

cd /usr/src/wine

export CVSROOT=:pserver:cvs@cvs.winehq.com:/home/wine

cvs login

cvs update -PAd

cvs logout

./configure --with-x --with-opengl --with-curses --enable-win16 --prefix=/opt/wine

make depend

make

make uninstall

make install

make distclean

echo "Finished total WINE rebuild/update at:" >> ~/winetime && clock >> ~/winetime

cat ~/winetime

edit the configure options as necessary... then put it in a text file, /bin/newwine over here. then

chmod +x /bin/newwine

put /opt/wine/bin in your PATH, in /etc/profile... and lastly,

echo "/opt/wine/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf

logout and back in to refresh the environment. all that must be done only once. as many times as you want the good stuff, type newwine on the prompt, type "cvs" for a password, and watch it go!! (anyone know a proper way to track the passage of time during execution of a command?) it's "time", it works great. "time make depend all install"

Quote:

Originally posted by Electro
Bochs is not a emumlator. Its a virtual machine. There is a difference. Bochs and VMware are similar in their operation.

Go to sourceforge and open the Home Page for the Bochs project:

"Bochs: The Open Source IA-32 Emulation Project"

Bochs EMULATE the CPU, VMWare NOT. Bochs can run M$ Windows, say on alpha CPU. VMWare NOT.

Why do so many people run UT under wine when the game is ported to linux? There is the loki installer and patches available.

Quote:

Originally posted by Electro
wine is an emulator.

No, Wine Is Not an Emulator, hence W.I.N.E. ;)