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Old 10-07-2009, 02:57 PM   #1
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Is Firefox broken?


I upgraded to Firefox 3.5.3 and now a number of websites I created using MS/Frontpage aren't working properly when brought up using Firefox.

No problem using MS/Internet Explorer 8.

Anyone have any ideas about this issue?

Thanks

OS - Centos 5.3.

Webserver for FrontPage webs is a MS/W3K server SP2.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 03:03 PM   #2
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You might need to use a non-proprietary authoring tool...non-microsoft.

Are you sure these pages ever rendered correctly using Firefox, or is this the first time you've looked at them in a non IE browser?
 
Old 10-07-2009, 03:19 PM   #3
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Good thought.

If it isn't the first time I noticed this then this might be the only site this is happening to.

But I don't think so. There isn't anything fancy or out of place on this site.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 03:22 PM   #4
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Well, I really don't recall. However there isn't any thing different or fancy about this site then all any of my other Frontpage sites. Check it out: www.goldbergsfamousbagels.com.

T.Y.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 03:25 PM   #5
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Is this what you expect to see under "Products"?

[Under Construction]

Product 1
Product 2
Product 3
Product 4


Name of product 1

Description of product 1 ...

Name of product 2

Description of product 2 ...

Name of product 3

Description of product 3 ...

Name of product 4
 
Old 10-07-2009, 03:28 PM   #6
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You may want to fix the errors in the html then see if it works.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 03:29 PM   #7
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You may want to fix the errors in the html then see if it works.
You mean the "Redmondization" errors? : )
 
Old 10-07-2009, 03:47 PM   #8
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You mean the "Redmondization" errors? : )
Yep, all that extra crud built in with FP and DW
 
Old 10-07-2009, 04:12 PM   #9
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Yes, I agree that there is a whole bunch of "crud" built in with FP, don't know what 'DW' is.

But...it has always worked. Works just fine with IE8.

Firefox developers should be asking why?

Regarding another authoring tool? Kompozer isn't ready for prime time and still can't do what FP can do. Kompozer os O.K. for small simple web pages.

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Old 10-07-2009, 04:29 PM   #10
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DW is Dreamweaver (shudder), irrespective of which editor you use unless you fix the errors in the markup then you can't blame the browsers for inconsistent page rendering, especially as it's broken in Opera as well.

Oh and if you want another reason NOT to use FP or DW then take a look at the CSS errors generated by it.

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Old 10-07-2009, 04:37 PM   #11
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Dreamweaver is a great product once you have about a year to fool around with it and get proficient with it.

I'm a newbie with all of this and FP was the easiest way to get a site up which has a few pages in it quickly.

As far as fixing the code that FP inserts...good luck! I'm not up to that, especially when it works with IE. I still believe that most of the world uses IE.

Still don't understand why it would work with one and not the other...go figure.

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Old 10-07-2009, 04:46 PM   #12
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Dreamweaver is a great product once you have about a year to fool around with it and get proficient with it.

I'm a newbie with all of this and FP was the easiest way to get a site up which has a few pages in it quickly.

As far as fixing the code that FP inserts...good luck! I'm not up to that, especially when it works with IE.

Still don't understand why it would work with one and not the other...go figure.
Well mostly because IE and FP are both crap product from the same company, so it's a no-brainer that the 2 work together.

As for dreamweaver it's not a great product if it takes a year or more to learn it, a basic text editor takes about ten minutes to learn, you then have the rest of that year to really learn html and css so that pages you build work in all browsers, that way you don't alienate a growing sector of the market you may be aiming at by producing pages they cant see/use.

I wouldn't attempt to repair the FP produced page (been there, done that), it would be much quicker to redo the entire thing in proper html/css especially as it would probably mean you only need about half the lines of code to do it.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 06:43 PM   #13
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IOW, MS ignores the http://www.w3.org/ standards. Other browsers expect to start from there. The smart web page guys start from there, then attempt to add extra code to the page to account for the various broken ways MS browsers work.
Lazy web page guys just code to MS and leave it at that... To be fair, years ago MS dominance was such that it was not entirely unreasonable. Nowadays, professionals expect better.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 07:31 PM   #14
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Well, it is what it is.

I don't disagree with any of the replies but being a newbie this was the best I could do at the moment.

I could never do even what is there now without FP no matter how bad it is and at least for the moment the customer is happy.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 08:00 PM   #15
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Maybe this has something to do with it?

http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/

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