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Old 11-09-2009, 11:48 AM   #16
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http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

I dunno how they get their data though so I really don't trust statistics on these kinds of things, even if they are on my side.

This states Firefox usage 47.5% in the most recent date, but this is a w3schools site so I can understand why that would be.

But I understand your point. Its hard to convince people at times which is the better browser, because anyone can create the numbers they want by selective studies. Most people just use the studies that fit their ideas. So I'm just going by what I see. Do I see IE around a lot still? Of course. I just see more and more open source showing in the normal world. I see so many people that still don't know or care about Linux, but I am seeing more and more people that DO know at least something about Linux.

I do agree that a Virtual Machine might be a better path to go. I've seen cases where WINE was a better alternative and a Virtual Box was a better alternative.

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Old 11-09-2009, 12:47 PM   #17
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In the fine print at W3C it states this is for "people interested in web development" (or something like that). Other numbers I have found are ~20 to 26%. I have always told companies/webmasters that it was 20.

How a profit-seeking corporation could brush off even 15% of their potential/current customer base is beyond me.
 
Old 11-09-2009, 01:41 PM   #18
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No use trying to discredit it because I already stated the reasons this was probably higher. The truth is that no one really knows. Even the best studies have a huge margin of error due to many things. Many have to mask themselves as IE users in order to get around some sites that attempt to force the site to only work on IE or Windows, at least so I've heard...

Attempting to get statistics on market values on a item that is free is next to impossible. Sure you can study downloads of browsers but that doesn't mean the person uses it all the time. Some people may use one browser for one thing and another for something else, how do you mark them?

I just state that from what I observed IE seems to be shrinking in usefulness in the world. Is it still in use? Of course. Is it gonna be in use for some time? Yes. Is it going to eventually go down? Who knows. I cant read the future. My bases for this is from what I observed and doesn't mean its truth.

And I'm not really arguing with you pixellany, just stating my point. Its hard to deal with companies when it comes to the browser. Many people only want to see Data that cannot be correctly obtained.

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And I was not arguing with YOU!!! Our euphemism here is: "We are in violent agreement."

I was not trying to discredit W3C---my quote from the site was a logical extension of what you had already stated.
 
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Many people only want to see Data that cannot be correctly obtained.
Isn't that the truth for so many things, not just browsers! "Find me some data to support my theory" seems to be the rallying call for lawyers, politicians and (some) managers.
 
Old 11-09-2009, 03:01 PM   #21
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And I was not arguing with YOU!!! Our euphemism here is: "We are in violent agreement."

I was not trying to discredit W3C---my quote from the site was a logical extension of what you had already stated.
Correct. I was just making sure you knew. I didn't think you was, I just thought I better make my point clear and not be taken the wrong way. I try and be careful at times and explain details that usually are understood, because there is always someone out there that will misunderstand.

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Old 11-13-2009, 07:27 AM   #23
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Using virtual machines for testing would allow you to test using different windows OSes and different versions of IE. You can't have both IE 6 and IE 7 installed in XP for example. You could have one VM image for W98 & IE 6, two VMs with XP and IE 6 & 7 respectively and a Windows 7 image with whatever version of IE it uses. Using Wine, you would be testing IE in Linux and not IE in Windows. That wouldn't be a true test of a user's environment.
 
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Old 11-13-2009, 10:12 AM   #25
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You could have all those VMs with all those IE versions, but..

(1) You'd need licenses for each VM for XP, 98 etc.
(2) From what I read here in another thread, the EULA for Vista and 7 prohibit using it in a VM.

This is one problem with a monopoly. It's hard to vote with your wallet and walk away entirely because of its ubiquity, yet they have the power to impose very unpleasant conditions or exorbitant prices.
 
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:12 AM   #27
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Well, you'd have to activate those copies for one. Second, it isn't a matter of whether or not Microsoft is going to catch you, it's a matter of whether you're going to do the right thing and abide by the EULA.
 
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Old 11-13-2009, 12:04 PM   #29
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Because IE implements the control interface of the web browser I would say it is fair to assume the WINE project will emulate it clearly
which unfortunately does not mean that a web page accessed under the same IE version under Windows will work under WINE. In fact, it is my experience that frequently that is not the case.

As for the other matter, IANAL, so I don't know if English contract law protects you from violating the EULA.
 
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