LinuxQuestions.org
Help answer threads with 0 replies.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Software
User Name
Password
Linux - Software This forum is for Software issues.
Having a problem installing a new program? Want to know which application is best for the job? Post your question in this forum.

Notices


Poll: We'd like user friendly dual/tri boot software for installs
Be advised that this is a public poll: other users can see the choice(s) you selected.
Poll Options
We'd like user friendly dual/tri boot software for installs

You must log in and have one post to vote in this poll. If you don't have an account, you can register here.
Results will be available after the polls close.

The nominees are:

Yes, I was a GUI installer for dual/tri boots
Yes I want a dual tri boot installer but want to make more complicated instructions
I do not think Linux needs a more user friendly dual/tri boot option
I like the challenge of the non GUI text installs

Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 06-11-2016, 02:12 AM   #1
Novatian
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2008
Location: Australia
Distribution: Mint 20 KDE and 19 and Android, Windows 10, KDE Neon, Manjaro, Slackware.
Posts: 1,014

Rep: Reputation: 37
Install software for dual booting alongside windows 7 or 10 with GUI?


If some of us want to dual or tri boot Linux Mint or Fedora... with Windows 7 or 10 on a desktop or laptop HDD, is there software that is user friendly, with GUI for installing? Or could someone make it?

Mint used to be able to do this automatically and install alongside windows or another distro... Why was this discontinued?
 
Old 06-11-2016, 08:57 AM   #2
yancek
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Apr 2008
Distribution: PCLinux, Slackware
Posts: 9,626

Rep: Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157Reputation: 2157
I'm sure someone could 'make' this software but I don't expect it to happen because I don't see the demand. You can use software like YUMI to do this on a flash drive for Live installs.

Can't see why and Linux developer would waste their time trying to get dual-boots of windows.

Multibooting isn't that difficult. I have windows 7 and 10 (rarely used) as well as Mint, Slackware and a half dozen other Linux systems. A basic understanding of Linux drive/partition naming conventions and bootloaders is pretty much all that is needed. Just a little bit of research and reading is all that's necessary.

Quote:
Mint used to be able to do this automatically and install alongside windows or another distro... Why was this discontinued?
I would guess it is because of UEFI as the Alongside method creates problems with UEFI installs and from reading posts at the Ubuntu forums, the people in the know over there always recommend the manual "Something Else" method.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 06-11-2016, 09:10 AM   #3
jamison20000e
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: ...uncanny valley... infinity\1975; (randomly born:) Milwaukee, WI, US( + travel,) Earth( I wish,) END BORDER$!◣◢┌∩┐ Fe26-E,e...
Distribution: any GPL that works well on freest; has been KDE, CLI, Novena but open... http://goo.gl/NqgqJx &c ;-)
Posts: 4,508
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482
There are third party boot managers and other GUI Linux installers (and\or distros that help more) for microcoughed...

The key is; if you want to keep losedough$ and more importantly your data, do backups then use whatever tools you want,,, just some are truly FREE as in freedom.

Last edited by jamison20000e; 06-11-2016 at 09:14 AM.
 
Old 06-13-2016, 04:48 AM   #4
Novatian
Senior Member
 
Registered: Feb 2008
Location: Australia
Distribution: Mint 20 KDE and 19 and Android, Windows 10, KDE Neon, Manjaro, Slackware.
Posts: 1,014

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 37
Interesting. I am beginning to look at microcoughed, what is it?
What are some of these installer softwares called?
 
Old 06-13-2016, 09:38 AM   #5
jamison20000e
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: ...uncanny valley... infinity\1975; (randomly born:) Milwaukee, WI, US( + travel,) Earth( I wish,) END BORDER$!◣◢┌∩┐ Fe26-E,e...
Distribution: any GPL that works well on freest; has been KDE, CLI, Novena but open... http://goo.gl/NqgqJx &c ;-)
Posts: 4,508
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482
GRUB is the one for me but there's: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comp...f_boot_loaders
and if you're in microcoughed-windblow$ when you pop in some distros that may offer an install from windowz... have fun!

Last edited by jamison20000e; 06-13-2016 at 11:57 AM.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 05:23 PM   #6
Norseman01
Member
 
Registered: Nov 2012
Posts: 85

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by yancek View Post
I'm sure someone could 'make' this software but I don't expect it to happen because I don't see the demand. You can use software like YUMI to do this on a flash drive for Live installs.
Can't see why any Linux developer would waste their time trying to get dual-boots of windows.
Multibooting isn't that difficult. I have windows 7 and 10 (rarely used) as well as Mint, Slackware and a half dozen other Linux systems. A basic understanding of Linux drive/partition naming conventions and boot loaders is pretty much all that is needed. Just a little bit of research and reading is all that's necessary.

I would guess it is because of UEFI as the Alongside method creates problems with UEFI installs and from reading posts at the Ubuntu forums, the people in the know over there always recommend the manual "Something Else" method.
=========================

If you (as in anyone) use Linux as a Hobby something or other I can see where the question comes from. (I agree with yancek.)
BUT - if you (again - as in anyone) use Linux at work then I miss what it is about.
ANY GUI hogs memory. Hogs lots and lots of memory. Plus - Typical installs require either finding a place to store the existing data on the existing partition(s) of the existing drive you intend to use or total disk wipe outs followed by (re)creating some or all of the target disk.
I personally include Slackware's setup's dialog and lilo to be GUI's. The window with the "check/data entry boxes" is a type of GUI.

As for: "...to get dual-boots of windows." Multiple versions of window$ implied.
Well - some programs (especially those written in-house) may only work on specific versions. I do not know any sane company that wants to throw away (possibly) years of in-house resources.
As for Slackware's install procedure - It is pretty much a case of follow the bouncing ball.

See "...A basic understanding of Linux.." above. I do agree with that. Old adage among Mechanics of the day: If you don't understand what it is, don't touch. Do your diligence (homework). Linux, for all its simplicity of use is still, in fact, quite complicated. Window$ has a few thousand employees (or did) who are interested in a paycheck. Linux has millions if not billions of supporters supporting it for free. Guess who has the better product?

Two last things.
One: About a more complicated booting: /etc/rc.d has plenty of space for defining what/where/how you want Linux to engage. Each boot entry in LILO can be given a separate set of "WHAT WE DOING THIS TIME?" instructions. The limit is your imagination. (And disk space

Two: If you setup to do Computer Numerical Controlled Milling, do not put games on it. Same caution if the two are reversed. If you want games - OK. Just leave the CNC off. Games can blow up and take your business out too.

Norseman01

Last edited by Norseman01; 06-17-2016 at 05:33 PM.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 07:09 PM   #7
jamison20000e
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: ...uncanny valley... infinity\1975; (randomly born:) Milwaukee, WI, US( + travel,) Earth( I wish,) END BORDER$!◣◢┌∩┐ Fe26-E,e...
Distribution: any GPL that works well on freest; has been KDE, CLI, Novena but open... http://goo.gl/NqgqJx &c ;-)
Posts: 4,508
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482
"Install software for dual booting alongside windows 7 or 10 with GUI?"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Novatian View Post
If some of us want to dual or tri boot Linux Mint or Fedora... with Windows 7 or 10 on a desktop or laptop HDD, is there software that is user friendly, with GUI for installing? Or could someone make it?

Mint used to be able to do this automatically and install alongside windows or another distro... Why was this discontinued?
It's just a matter of learning to play well with GRUB... (but, don't play with your food: http://www.erikyyy.de/invaders/Click image for larger version

Name:	invaders.jpeg
Views:	26
Size:	3.3 KB
ID:	22134...)

Last edited by jamison20000e; 06-17-2016 at 07:10 PM.
 
Old 06-17-2016, 08:46 PM   #8
Emerson
LQ Sage
 
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Saint Amant, Acadiana
Distribution: Gentoo ~arch
Posts: 7,231

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Life is possible even with Grub2. Just don't use the terrible grub2-mkconfig and use your favorite editor to keep it simple.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 06-19-2016, 01:01 PM   #9
John VV
LQ Muse
 
Registered: Aug 2005
Location: A2 area Mi.
Posts: 17,534

Rep: Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622Reputation: 2622
grub2 works just fine

but windows MUST still be on the first partition of the first drive

otherwise updates WILL FAIL and the os will be FUBAR'ed
( a microsoft caused problem and not a linux one)
 
Old 06-21-2016, 08:32 AM   #10
dave@burn-it.co.uk
Member
 
Registered: Sep 2011
Distribution: Puppy
Posts: 601

Rep: Reputation: 172Reputation: 172
Windows has to be on the first VISIBLE partition on the first VISIBLE drive to Windows.

I use a combination of Grub4DOS and Symon partition manager.

Symon allows you to manipulate the partition tables at boot time so you can shuffle up to 36 partitions and deal any 4 from those in any order.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 12:36 PM   #11
jamison20000e
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: ...uncanny valley... infinity\1975; (randomly born:) Milwaukee, WI, US( + travel,) Earth( I wish,) END BORDER$!◣◢┌∩┐ Fe26-E,e...
Distribution: any GPL that works well on freest; has been KDE, CLI, Novena but open... http://goo.gl/NqgqJx &c ;-)
Posts: 4,508
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482Reputation: 1482
""Free"ware"... no thanks.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 01:57 PM   #12
Norseman01
Member
 
Registered: Nov 2012
Posts: 85

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk View Post
Windows has to be on the first VISIBLE partition on the first VISIBLE drive to Windows.

I use a combination of Grub4DOS and Symon partition manager.

Symon allows you to manipulate the partition tables at boot time so you can shuffle up to 36 partitions and deal any 4 from those in any order.
=======================
With Slackware and lilo I make Primary Partition 1 a 2Gig type 6 (MSDOS), set the boot flag and load MSDOS normally. (MSDOS only reads/writes a max of 2Gig)
Then: I make Primary Partition 2 a Window$s type c (W95 FAT32 LBA), move the boot flag to Partition 2 and load Windows normally. Yes, lots of reboots. NO - Window$ is not allowed to make any new partitions.
Then: I make Primary Partition 3 a Window$ type c and usually use it as place to pass Window$ program outputs to Linux. If you want another OS here that is OK.
Then I set Primary Partition 4 to type 85 (Linux Extended) and make sure that either Partition 2 OR Partition 3, if it has an OS, has the boot flag set. At the end of the day there is only ONE (1) boot flag set on the disk.
Then: I make the Extended Partition 5 a Linux type 82 (swap space)
Then: I make Extended Partition 6 and that becomes my tried and true Linux of use. type 83
Then: I make Extended Partition 7 and load a Linux for testing. type 83
Then: I make Extended Partition 8 and that becomes MASS STORAGE. type 83. I do not use RAID.
I do have the ability to load/access more than 18 Terabytes of OS's and Storage if want.
Except for Partition 1 as MSDOS, the sizes of the various partitions is user choice.
No MSDOS - no 2 Gig limit on Partition 1.

If you load more than one Window$ or OS that actually requires the Boot flag to function, then you will need to move the Boot flag before starting the OS requiring it. If you use Linux as the traffic director, scripts can do the heavy lifting.
man bash; search here-document .............................aid to move Boot flag
man lilo; search -R; simple sample: "lilo -R S130;reboot" ..to boot OS named S130

Norseman01
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
No 'Alongside' option when trying to install Ubuntu 11.04 to dual boot with Windows 7 UnfairBear Linux - Newbie 17 06-20-2019 04:00 PM
Debain not installing alongside windows (dual os) paulmars Debian 10 10-06-2013 09:31 AM
Fedora 18 & Windowa 8 dual install - probs booting Windows ziphem Linux - Newbie 4 03-27-2013 11:13 AM
LXer: How to dual-boot BackTrack 5 R2 and Windows 7 alongside each other LXer Syndicated Linux News 0 03-23-2012 02:01 AM
Dual booting Windows XP after Linux install preeth26 LinuxQuestions.org Member Success Stories 2 04-07-2006 10:32 AM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Software

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:06 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration