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Old 03-22-2004, 06:06 AM   #16
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I didn't mean to make illogical corelations about doing things "the easy way" vs. doing things "the hard way". The few linux buff's I know spend most of their time at the command prompt doing things not wandering around clicking windows to get to where they want to be. I just figured that the pro's around here (most all of you) would expect me to travel down the path of living my life at the command prompt vs the "double click" installers...

no harm no offense...

Does MEMPIS have a "live" distro I can load off a bootable CD?

Old 03-22-2004, 07:37 AM   #17
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Ideally you want to spend more time using a computer for whatever it is you use it for, than futzing around with its internals.

Does MEPIS have a "live" distro I can load off a bootable CD?
Old 03-22-2004, 08:59 AM   #18
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I just want to warn you that you ---might---have a problem with a Dell laptop.
Some, but not all, do not release enough video memory on install( or something like that )
There is a patch out for it.
Go to - google-- and type in 855patch ( or is it patch855 ??)

It can be fixed, and again, not all suffer from this defect.
It is a chipset problem, not a linux problem.
Old 03-22-2004, 09:05 AM   #19
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What do linux users do for anti-virus programs and such.
As far as anti virus, you can check out Dr. Web
I haven't used it yet, but it is what Mandrake suggests...

There are a couple different firewalls you can get, one is for Gnome called Firestarter that I have used and it is really nice. There is another for KDE which I have not used but looks nice, called Guarddog.

These firewalls are really just frontends for IPTables. Do a search for IP Tables and that would probably give you more info than you really need.
Old 03-22-2004, 11:00 AM   #20
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Installing Software

Generally, I agree with chris319's comments about tools like apt being preferable to untarring, etc. However, it is useful on occasion, so for future reference if you're trying to install a program called "newprog" it goes something like this:

If you downloaded "newprog.tgz" (tarred and zipped with gzip), then do a tar -zxvf newprog.tgz.
If "newprog.tbz" (zipped with bzip2) then a tar -jxvf newprog.tbz will untar/unzip.
Doing tar -xvf newprog.tar untars a tar file

Typically, then you have a directory called newprog created in the directory where things were untarred that you change to in order to install. Then do "less README" and "less INSTALL" to view any special instructions. If you're lucky (depends on the program and what kind of system you are installing on), you can just do:

make install #this last has to be done as root

All 3 steps above may take a few minutes or longer

Mepis I've only tried briefly, but it didn't run on the laptop I was trying it on--it seems to get very good reviews, though. I've installed Knoppix on a hard drive with no problem. Mandrake and SuSE now have versions that can be run from CD to try them out.

There is one misconception in what chris319 said, though. IIRC the Debian installer is actually "dpkg" and is no better than rpm at managing dependencies. What apt actually is is a program that functions a level above dpkg to manage those dependencies, and yes you definitely want to use something like this.

However, apt has been ported to rpm and can be used with Red Hat and other rpm based distros. Mandrake has something similar called urpmi. There is also something called yum for rpm. Debian has made use of apt longer than the rpm based distros and has a larger and longer-tested group of packages known to work well together.

My advice: try a few of the live CDs and pick one that you like. Then learn what high level package management system it uses and learn to use that, resorting to installing from source only if you need something rare that is only available that way.
Old 03-22-2004, 04:29 PM   #21
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lnxconvrt, thank you VERY much for the post. I'm already learning tons about linux (IT'S GREAT!)

I am still confused about what distribution is what by what designations. Could someone table out which distro goes under which category of whatever designation you guys split them up...

Just as an update, KNOPPIX works FLAWLESSLY on my laptop, video, sound, everything is great with one small exception: I'm probably going to have to hop over to the hardware support forum to see how much success people are having with getting a DELL TRUEMOBILE 1300 WLAN card working. If I can get my wireless ethernet working I can port my files over and be done with windows forever. I'll learn the rest as I go.

I just want to get away from windows, I can't stand all the BS anymore...

Thanks again guys!
Old 03-22-2004, 04:53 PM   #22
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Vote for SuSE

For whatever it's worth, I'd strongly urge you to consider buying a copy of SuSE for your laptop:

1. It practically installs itself (it really puts Windows to shame in the
ease-of-use dept)

2. You can probably save your existing Windows filesystem (and
transparently share it with your new Linux OS).

3. The documentation is great (if you need it - you probably won't!)

4. It comes with OpenOffice (which can read your MS Word .doc files,
.xls Excel spreadsheets and .ppt Powerpoint files without problem)

5. It's freely available - not only online, or from most computer stores,
but you can *also* buy SuSE at your local Borders or Barnes/Noble.

Give it a try!
Old 03-22-2004, 10:22 PM   #23
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ok, so I'm confused. I'm using the LIVE version of knoppix. Throw the CD in, and load everything very nicely. great.

I get into hda2 (my C: drive in windows) to find some drivers/wrappers I saved there in a folder. I found out that hda2 is recognized as a "read-only" so I copy the folder of files to the 'tmp' folder on hda1 (because I didn't get errors when making new folders in there/it doesn't seem to be read-only).

The tar.gz file tar's just fine and makes a new folder in the tmp folder, but when I go to do MAKE INSTALL it gives me two errors to the effect that it it doesn't have permission to make the folders or there's some read-only problem and it can't go on. I don't understand or know enough about installing stuff on linux to understand why the freekin thing makes folders no problem one second and has a problem the next MAKE INSTALLing the next.

I would post the error message accept I have no way to save anything while in the LIVE version and no internet access (hence why I'm trying to get my wifi up and running)...

Old 03-23-2004, 05:02 AM   #24
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I don't understand or know enough about installing stuff on linux to understand why the freekin thing makes folders no problem one second and has a problem the next MAKE INSTALLing the next
To install stuff onto knoppix, it has to be mounted rw, and you can't write a cdrom rw

Translation :
Because Knoppix runs off a CD, you can't write to it (Not even if it's in a CD burner). Because you can't write to it, that means that your ability to install programs is extreemly limited, and most programs won't install at all. To install a program, you will need to boot knoppix off something you can write to (say, for example, you HDD)

NOTE: the reason you can write files at all is due to the fact that some sections of the file system are actually not physical devices at all, and are actually writen to ram.

As for being able to write to hda1... Knoppix mounts as read only as far as I know? What's so special about /tmp on hda1? are you sure it's not just /tmp ? (/tmp on hda1 would be found at /mnt/hda1/tmp) If it was just /tmp then chances are you just wrote the files to ram and won't be able to get them back.
Good thing you kept a copy

as for installing with debian :
apt-get install tuxracer
(assuming you want to install tuxracer)

as for apt-get vs urpmi :
I have used both, and the urpmi that comes with mandrake 9.1 is not nearly as user-friendly or for that matter, good at picking dependancies.
Old 11-10-2004, 01:38 AM   #25
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Convert To Xandros

Hi Homer,
Like yourself I am new to Linux, but last June decided to try Linux on my Desknote. I have only tried two versions of Linux - Red Hat Fedora Core and Xandros ( based on Debian). Fedora Core did not install as well as I would have liked, so i Purchased Xandros which installed much better.
I am still running Windows xP as well on this notebook. Before running the install disk i Defragmented the hard drive (essential). Then in Windows xp I used Partition Magic to create a 5 Gig Linux partition on my 20 Gig hard drive. Then I installed by booting to my Linux CD and carefully following the instructions.
my Notebook is an ECS I Buddie 4 with an internal winmodem, which works fine using mozilla & firefox browsers and the Ximian evolution email.
Unlike Windows if you require linux to detect usb devices it is necessary
to have them already connected to make certain they are detected.
Another advantage of Xandros is that you can access files inthe Windows partition from the File manager and copy them across. You can download other programs with deb
or rpm extension and install them from Xandros networks program( must enter as administrator first )
if you like to use a burner i recommend the K3b burner program at best to download a Debian version
Issues - i am using two printers( Epson810 & HP multifunction psc 2310) now: both work fine most of the time but occasionally they fail to print e.g. printer out of ink. The only way I have found to fix this is to go back into windows and fix the problem there and then they work again in Xandros. Also have not yet had my old Canon scanner work in Linux - not a big deal, but will try to get it working one day

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Old 01-08-2005, 11:54 AM   #26
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Hi h0mer,

I'm also new to linux, but the learning curve is high and I've become quite efficient at installing stuff and navigating though the filesystem. I doubt you'll have a problem converting. I haven't touched windows in a week and a half now. I'm using SuSE that I installed using ftp from a boot disk. Try the live cd if you want, it's very condusive to windows users and has a great installer (YaST) that makes hardware configuration really simple and will install from rpm's.
It too can read/write on the windows partition (FAT32 is best, so I hear). The defaults are great for learning, and then when you become more comfortable with the inner workings of linux you can customize and tweak at will.
Check it out, that's my two cents.
Old 01-09-2005, 07:10 AM   #27
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I have tried both Fedora Core and Suse on my I-Buddie 4 Desknote, but neither of them could detect my winmodem, But Xandros did. So for now I will stay with Xandros. Later on I will try other Linux OSs like
Suse on my PC.


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