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Old 07-24-2003, 11:48 AM   #1
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Hurry ;)


Well, for starters im not alone having a few windoze machines acting as all kinds of servers... and as the time has gone by ppl are buying more hd's to add to their existing systems, and with the option to make dynamic-disk's ... welll there aint no stop to it ..... So the love i feel for Linux to be able to READ ntfs partitions good, and writing to it as bad as im good at Linux ^^.

So time to pull the whip out.... The Linux community is almost there, make NTFS a "brother-in-arms" filesystem, and you'll see more admins changing overnight than anything else you put into new Distro's. I know i will

/Cheers
 
Old 07-24-2003, 12:07 PM   #2
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if you want to go write a driver for a file system on which they have no api or official plans, go ahead... it's stupidly hard - there's a reason it's in the state that it is.
 
Old 07-24-2003, 12:17 PM   #3
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Ahh, now that was my point, making all brains work together on a issue this important for the future of Linux, WILL make admins around flee Windoze. Now this is known that for every dist coming out, it's a tiny bit more easier to use. But NTFS-support, is a feature that MUST be included, only way to get ppl as me to leave Windoze for good...

/cheers "beer #2"
 
Old 07-24-2003, 01:00 PM   #4
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nah, not really. why would a real admin ever consider not doing things properly? There's no such thing as a dual boot business data network...
 
Old 07-24-2003, 02:16 PM   #5
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Good point, but i never said dualboot, you did, and so does most of this community, if things up, return to windoze. Attitude that needs some slappi'n. Seriously the communtiy needs to wake up. Yes, the guys who actually contribues are worth their huge weight in gold, but most are not. Aslong as you "Nerds-80:s-expression" keep that talk going. Be my guest and keep those good guys, while we others keep windowz. Because it works from start......

*YES WE NEED SOME ANSWERS, OR WE'LL STICK WTH WHAT WORKS, EVEN IF YOU CALL SICK ^^*
Aside from that caps-stuff, im learing as a dawg.
 
Old 07-24-2003, 03:52 PM   #6
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ahh so it seems you're only here to bash linux.... ho hum.

anyway... so if you're not using a dual boot system why would you ever possibly have a local ntfs drive?? it wouldn't be there in the first place... I appreciate what you're trying to say, but that's not a valid example IMHO.

and lets drop the offensive language right now.
 
Old 07-24-2003, 04:23 PM   #7
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"and lets drop the offensive language right now."
No, unless this community of "intellectuals" starts to act up on our (newbs) account, bad mouthing and foul words will be a daily treasure, remember that M$ gave away a version of 180 days of free tryouts of server-2003. I needed two, got what im saying ?. Well i wouldn't be here unless i was interested, but the moronic-complications at install/boot, threw me of the wagon. Yeah, sure foul language is bad, but i never curse about anything, unless it's called for, as we all, i hope

Edit 2 times, because of spelling badly

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Old 07-24-2003, 04:34 PM   #8
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Please note:
- edit the prfoanity. It's not welcome here.
- get your facts straight. It's not that Linux won't interoperate with NTFS out of apathy, but that the NTFS schema is closed and therefore needs to be reverse-engineered. It's Microsoft that refuses to 'open up' the NTFS playground.
- there are several other filesystem standards that excel over NTFS (JFS, XFS, reiserfs, ext3) as well as management schemes (software RAID, logical volume management). Best of all: no "C:\"
 
Old 07-24-2003, 05:35 PM   #9
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<OffTopic>
Hey, that free beer you just gave me tastes terrible!
Give me a better one, NOW!
</OffTopic>

...Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Just out of curiosity, in what ways are ext3 or ReiserFS superior to NTFS?
As far as I know access rights are limited to owner/group/others.
Concerning the C:\ issue: NTFS supports mounting, but I haven't seen any tools for that.
ext3 / reiserfs are favourable, because they are based on open standards, but are they better???

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Old 07-24-2003, 10:29 PM   #10
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Just out of curiosity, in what ways are ext3 or ReiserFS superior to NTFS?
As far as I know access rights are limited to owner/group/others.
Concerning the C:\ issue: NTFS supports mounting, but I haven't seen any tools for that.
ext3 / reiserfs are favourable, because they are based on open standards, but are they better???
They're journaling filesystems. Have a look at this for a better description than I could ever offer.
 
Old 07-25-2003, 04:13 AM   #11
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I don't want to turn this into a pro Microsoft thread, but NTFS is a journalling filesystem as well, and the version introduced with win2k supports some other nice features such as transparent compression on a per file / per directory basis as well as encryption of single files.

But in the end I'm still happy with my ext3 partition...
 
Old 07-25-2003, 04:30 AM   #12
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well everything is fine in it's relative context (well... maybe) but this is more about using the right tool for the job, and no-one with any real knowledge of unix / windows would say that ntfs shuld be used under unix. obviously ntfs wouldn't journal under linux for sure....
 
  


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