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Old 05-01-2016, 09:37 PM   #31
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Personally, I abhor KDE 4+ and Gnome 3, they are equally terrible. Gnome 2 was fantastic, why the developers decided to throw it all in the toilet and release the garbage that is Gnome 3 is beyond me. XFCE, Mate, and any others that embrace the simple and straight-forward style of Gnome 2 is a win in my book.

Just a few days ago a colleague of mine was trying to disable the wifi interface on a company laptop for some network testing. It was running KDE on OpenSUSE 13, we each spent 5+ minutes digging through the settings trying to find it, and failed. After 15 min I just said screw it, logged out of his account, logged in as mine which uses XFCE, right clicked the network icon on the panel, clicked "disable wifi" or whatever it's called, and done.

Both the KDE and Gnome developers have spent so much time making things "pretty" that they've thrown utility out the window. It's like they've followed Microsoft down the Metro rabbit hole. Everyone hates it, but they keep going anyway. Who are they catering to? Who actually likes this crap?

This says nothing of the apps on each though. I prefer several of them on each, as a result I typically end up installing all of the libraries for each either way. For example Konsole is my go to terminal emulator regardless of my chosen DE. That's what I like about Linux. Pick and choose what you like, screw the rest.
 
Old 05-01-2016, 09:43 PM   #32
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Too many variables, I like them all.
 
Old 05-01-2016, 10:01 PM   #33
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I have just installed Kubuntu 16.04
 
Old 05-01-2016, 10:19 PM   #34
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If there was another DE that made using my systems as easy as KDE, I'd switch in a heartbeat
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pantheon
 
Old 05-02-2016, 07:22 AM   #35
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When you guys say KDE 5, you mean Plasma 5 right? I have a Debian Testing VM with KDE 4.14 and Plasma 5. That I know of KDE5 is not out yet.
 
Old 05-02-2016, 08:00 PM   #36
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KDE5 = PLasma5 + Framework5 + applications whatever...

They made it convoluted, but KDE5 was released with Plasma 5.0 + Frameworks 5.0
 
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Old 05-02-2016, 10:40 PM   #37
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Just a few days ago a colleague of mine was trying to disable the wifi interface on a company laptop for some network testing. It was running KDE on OpenSUSE 13, we each spent 5+ minutes digging through the settings trying to find it, and failed. After 15 min I just said screw it, logged out of his account, logged in as mine which uses XFCE, right clicked the network icon on the panel, clicked "disable wifi" or whatever it's called, and done.
Maybe it's different on KDE 5, but on 4.14 you just click the network icon and uncheck the wifi box. Sounds almost exactly the same as Xfce.
 
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Old 05-03-2016, 05:54 AM   #38
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Reading that wiki makes it seem like pantheon is simple, not easy. I mean easy in the terms of everything configuration is gui. No editing of files to do any setups, I can just click to do every single thing to setup my desktop I want. That's why I like KDE, it's EASY....not simple, but EASY.
 
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:44 AM   #39
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@suicidaleggroll,

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Gnome 2 was fantastic, why the developers decided to throw it all in the toilet and release the garbage that is Gnome 3 is beyond me. XFCE, Mate, and any others that embrace the simple and straight-forward style of Gnome 2 is a win in my book
I completely agree. Thank goodness in particular for MATE, developed in 2011 by Perberos, an Argentine Arch Linux user:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162

MATE saved me from the equally horrible Unity. Three cheers for Perberos!
 
Old 05-03-2016, 09:20 AM   #40
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So if every DE\WM on the planet died, except one, some of us would be okay...

Add:
https://www.defectivebydesign.org/to...s_and_freedoms

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Old 05-03-2016, 09:30 AM   #41
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Maybe it's different on KDE 5, but on 4.14 you just click the network icon and uncheck the wifi box. Sounds almost exactly the same as Xfce.
That's what you'd expect, but there was no such option on KDE. Just some network information dialog with no ability to modify anything.
 
Old 05-03-2016, 10:02 AM   #42
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You mean in your* systems tray.
 
Old 05-03-2016, 10:06 AM   #43
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Old 05-03-2016, 10:29 AM   #44
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That's what you'd expect, but there was no such option on KDE. Just some network information dialog with no ability to modify anything.
Sorry, not correct. The option you were looking for is right at the top of the box you see after left clicking on the network icon in the system tray.
 
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Sorry, not correct. The option you were looking for is right at the top of the box you see after left clicking on the network icon in the system tray.
Sorry for the misinformation, I just went back and checked and it is indeed there. It's not in what I would consider the "normal" panel menu though, you have to open up the full networking control page that takes up half the screen, then the little check box to enable/disable the wireless is tucked discretely in the very bottom left corner. Apparently it's easy to miss.
 
  


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