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Old 04-07-2017, 12:45 PM   #1
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Having difficulty installing (and understanding) fonts


I'm running Xubuntu 16.04 LTS. 64 bit computer. I recently got a photo editing software called Pixeluvo. When I install fonts to the .fonts folder while all the fonts show up in Libreoffice, only one of the font show up in Pixeluvo. Screenshot 214: what I installed in .fonts. #215 What shows up in Pixeluvo.

And exploring this I've found that fonts are stored all over the place and more often than not they don't all show up in either Pixeluvo or LibreOffice.

Another thing is I installed LinuxLibertine and all these fonts showed up in LO and in Pixeluvo. (you can see in #215 screenshot). I don't remember how I installed the LinuxLibertine but however I did it got it in both places.

And like in GIMP having eight million fonts I never use can be a time suck. Can I go into those file system folders and just delete the entire folders for things like Noto and Stix (which is like hieroglyphics)? See 216. (I have to admit I almost never touch the File System and am hesitant to do so without expert advice.)

Thanks.
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:48 PM   #2
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did you update your ~/.fonts folder?

Code:
sudo fc-cache -fv ~/.fonts
or
sudo fc-cache -fv
as far as deleting them -- I'd move them off to somewhere else for safe keeping update fonts and see if something goes wrong, if yes then find out what fonts you may need to put back then do so. update fonts again.

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Old 04-07-2017, 01:26 PM   #3
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did you update your ~/.fonts folder?

Code:
sudo fc-cache -fv ~/.fonts
or
sudo fc-cache -fv
as far as deleting them -- I'd move them off to somewhere else for safe keeping update fonts and see if something goes wrong, if yes then find out what fonts you may need to put back then do so. update fonts again.
Thanks BW. Good advice. Ran the command and got this:

gregory@gregory-GA-A55M-DS2:~/Desktop$ sudo fc-cache -fv ~/.fonts
[sudo] password for gregory:
/home/gregory/.fonts: caching, new cache contents: 39 fonts, 0 dirs
/var/cache/fontconfig: cleaning cache directory
/home/gregory/.cache/fontconfig: cleaning cache directory
/home/gregory/.fontconfig: not cleaning non-existent cache directory
fc-cache: succeeded
gregory@gregory-GA-A55M-DS2:~/Desktop$


but I didn't get the fonts in Pixeluvo.

Both the fonts I want (Monteserrat and Roboto) are true type. Do you think I could make a folder for each of them and put the folders in the usr/share/fonts/truetype/ folder? (screenshot) Thanks.
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Old 04-07-2017, 02:39 PM   #4
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How old a program is Pixeluvo? If it's rather young, its problem could be that ~/.fonts was deprecated some time back. Some apps, among which L.O., IIRC, do not rely on fontconfig, instead including their own font locating mechanisms. From the archlinux wiki
Quote:
The font paths initially known to Fontconfig are: /usr/share/fonts/, ~/.local/share/fonts (and ~/.fonts/, now deprecated).
I don't "install" many "extra" fonts. "Installed" fonts on my systems are whatever the installer installs, plus Droid and Linux Libertine if not included by default. Mostly when I add extra fonts, I copy the font files from their source into /usr/local/share/fonts/. That way, each "user" on my installations (all of which are in multiboot) has access to these extra fonts rather than each individual "user" needing a personal copy in ~/.local/share/fonts/.

I commonly find that running fc-cache isn't necessary after adding fonts to, or removing fonts from, /usr/local/share/fonts/, but I suppose that may depend on individual distros' fontconfig implementations, or maybe it's necessary if the individual files added are not in the root of any of the standard font paths.

You probably lost more than you gained by deleting Stix:
Quote:
Summary : STIX scientific and engineering fonts
Size : 845616
Description :
The mission of the Scientific and Technical Information Exchange (STIX) font
creation project is the preparation of a comprehensive set of fonts that serve
the scientific and engineering community in the process from manuscript
creation through final publication, both in electronic and print formats.
Here, Roboto is installed by default:
Quote:
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 42.1
# rpm -qa | grep oboto
google-roboto-fonts-20150820-1.1.noarch
# fc-match roboto
Roboto-Medium.ttf: "Roboto" "Medium"
# fc-list roboto
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-BoldItalic.ttf: Roboto:style=Bold Italic
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-ThinItalic.ttf: Roboto:style=Thin Italic
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-Light.ttf: Roboto:style=Light
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-Regular.ttf: Roboto:style=Regular
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-Thin.ttf: Roboto:style=Thin
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-Black.ttf: Roboto:style=Black
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-LightItalic.ttf: Roboto:style=Light Italic
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-Bold.ttf: Roboto:style=Bold
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-Italic.ttf: Roboto:style=Italic
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-BlackItalic.ttf: Roboto:style=Black Italic
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-Medium.ttf: Roboto:style=Medium
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Roboto-MediumItalic.ttf: Roboto:style=Medium Italic
I would expect apt to install fonts-roboto in the same location as rpm did on openSUSE.
 
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Old 04-07-2017, 07:44 PM   #5
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How old a program is Pixeluvo? If it's rather young, its problem could be that ~/.fonts was deprecated some time back. Some apps, among which L.O., IIRC, do not rely on fontconfig, instead including their own font locating mechanisms. From the archlinux wiki
I don't "install" many "extra" fonts. "Installed" fonts on my systems are whatever the installer installs, plus Droid and Linux Libertine if not included by default. Mostly when I add extra fonts, I copy the font files from their source into /usr/local/share/fonts/. That way, each "user" on my installations (all of which are in multiboot) has access to these extra fonts rather than each individual "user" needing a personal copy in ~/.local/share/fonts/.

I commonly find that running fc-cache isn't necessary after adding fonts to, or removing fonts from, /usr/local/share/fonts/, but I suppose that may depend on individual distros' fontconfig implementations, or maybe it's necessary if the individual files added are not in the root of any of the standard font paths.

You probably lost more than you gained by deleting Stix:


Here, Roboto is installed by default:

I would expect apt to install fonts-roboto in the same location as rpm did on openSUSE.

Thanks mrmazda. I don't know how old Pixeluvo is. http://www.pixeluvo.com/

Quote:
Mostly when I add extra fonts, I copy the font files from their source into /usr/local/share/fonts/.
This sounded good and I tried to do it but when I did, the "paste" was grayed out and I was unable to.

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You probably lost more than you gained by deleting Stix:
I didn't uninstall it yet. What would I be losing? I'm not a scientist. Most of their fonts are gobbledygook to me.
 
Old 04-07-2017, 09:13 PM   #6
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This sounded good and I tried to do it but when I did, the "paste" was grayed out and I was unable to.
/usr/local/ is a local domain under control of the system administrator. Unless root alters its default permissions, you need root privileges to write there.

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I didn't uninstall it yet. What would I be losing? I'm not a scientist. Most of their fonts are gobbledygook to me.
The space Stix consumes on your system is trivial. It includes mostly glyphs missing from common font sets. Without Stix, when you open a web page with scientific or math formulas, you won't be seeing what the formulas are supposed to look like, regardless whether you might understand them.
 
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Old 04-07-2017, 10:45 PM   #7
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I don't know how old Pixeluvo is. http://www.pixeluvo.com/
Based on a forum sample, it looks likely to be younger than the ~/.fonts deprecation, so may well have no way to know about any fonts contained there.
 
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Old 04-08-2017, 08:41 AM   #8
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Yoiu could try looking at its directory structure wherever that is to see what it has setup for itself.

ie.

/../../Pixeluvo/fonts

not saying it is there. but it will not hurt to look.
 
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Old 04-08-2017, 12:54 PM   #9
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/usr/local/ is a local domain under control of the system administrator. Unless root alters its default permissions, you need root privileges to write there.


The space Stix consumes on your system is trivial. It includes mostly glyphs missing from common font sets. Without Stix, when you open a web page with scientific or math formulas, you won't be seeing what the formulas are supposed to look like, regardless whether you might understand them.
I'll keep the Stix, thanks. I read the link. So that seems the way to go (pasting the fonts into /usr/local/share/fonts), but how do I get root privileges so I can paste them there? Thanks.
 
Old 04-08-2017, 12:57 PM   #10
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Yoiu could try looking at its directory structure wherever that is to see what it has setup for itself.

ie.

/../../Pixeluvo/fonts

not saying it is there. but it will not hurt to look.
Thanks BW but I couldn't find anything with .../Pixeluvo/fonts. See attachment for what a Pixeluvo search turned up.
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Old 04-08-2017, 01:49 PM   #11
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how do I get root privileges so I can paste them there?
Either login as root (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-Fn) and open a file manager (e.g. mc, my own choice), or open a file manager using sudo from an X terminal.

*Everyone should have mc installed by default. If mc isn't installed, you should install it (e.g. 'sudo apt-get install mc').
 
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When the contents of $HOME/.fonts/ change:

$ cd $HOME/.fonts/
$ mkfontscale
$ mkfontdir

When you start a new X session:

$ xset fp+ $HOME/.fonts/
$ xset fp rehash
$ fc-cache -f -v

Various ways to check that changes took:

$ xlsfonts
$ fc-list
$ xfontsel

One quirk with fc-list is that .pcf fonts need to be gzipped (.pcf.gz) or they don't show up (debian jessie) in fc-list, but will in xlsfonts. But xls names versus face names. Also bitmap fonts are disabled by default on many distros. Enabling bitmap fonts can cause firefox to crash depending on versions.

$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config

To enable bitmap fonts or edit one of the /etc/fonts/ configuration files. Don't recall which one atm. Not likely to be an issue if using distro supplied fonts.

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Old 04-08-2017, 05:42 PM   #13
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Either login as root (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-Fn) and open a file manager (e.g. mc, my own choice), or open a file manager using sudo from an X terminal.

*Everyone should have mc installed by default. If mc isn't installed, you should install it (e.g. 'sudo apt-get install mc').
Thanks. That MC is amazing! I did read up about it but I had a few questions. To copy (see 224) do I just go with the defaults checked? I was concerned about 'with source mask' and 'using shell patterns.' (MC would really be helpful on a regular basis if I could trust it.) And #6 in the MC function keys is basically the same as "cut"?

And I was reading about MC and it said if copying directories the changes would be applied 'recursively.' I Googled and looked around but I still don't really know what recursively means.

And I plopped a couple of fonts (via MC) into /usr/local/share/fonts and unfortunately they do not show up in Pixeluvo.

I remembered that when I put the font LinuxLibertine (there are about seven of them) into LibreOffice via Synaptic Package Manager the LinuxLibertine fonts also showed up in Pixeluvo. So I Catfish file searched and found LinuxLibertine in /usr/share/doc and /usr/share bug. I took screenshots of the doc one because I figured it wouldn't be the bug one. (see 229 & 230). As you can see I didn't find the actual font ttf files.

So I'm at a dead end. Thanks for the help.
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Old 04-08-2017, 05:45 PM   #14
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When the contents of $HOME/.fonts/ change:

$ cd $HOME/.fonts/
$ mkfontscale
$ mkfontdir

When you start a new X session:

$ xset fp+ $HOME/.fonts/
$ xset fp rehash
$ fc-cache -f -v

Various ways to check that changes took:

$ xlsfonts
$ fc-list
$ xfontsel

One quirk with fc-list is that .pcf fonts need to be gzipped (.pcf.gz) or they don't show up (debian jessie) in fc-list, but will in xlsfonts. But xls names versus face names. Also bitmap fonts are disabled by default on many distros. Enabling bitmap fonts can cause firefox to crash depending on versions.

$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config

To enable bitmap fonts or edit one of the /etc/fonts/ configuration files. Don't recall which one atm. Not likely to be an issue if using distro supplied fonts.
Thanks Shadow. That's good to know. So the idea is any time a font changes in $HOME/.fonts/ run those commands?
 
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sudo fc-cache -fv ~/.fonts
This is a command I'd never run. Running as root in your home directory is calling for trouble, all files created/modified will be owned by root, this can cause weirdest errors when user started applications cannot write and modify these files.
 
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