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macewan 02-21-2003 05:59 PM

gui database app

gui interface for databases

very interesting - check it out.

plenty of screenshots too ; )

acid_kewpie 02-22-2003 03:41 AM

shame it's in java/swing but it looks quite neat...

macewan 02-23-2003 11:30 AM

i think java and linux need each other

acid_kewpie 02-23-2003 11:32 AM

cute. personally i don't think anyone needs java....

macewan 02-23-2003 01:31 PM

funny. didn't find it particularly cute at all and judging from all the big name companies (ibm, oracle - basicly everyone but microsoft) that believe in linux/java combination - you'd have a hard time convincing large group of people that java doesn't have much of a place with linux while moving to a .net society.

but hey - i could be wrong. which is likely since you appear from most posts to be right most of the time...

Crashed_Again 02-23-2003 02:47 PM

Acid_Kewpie would you have us use JavaScript instead? Microsofts virus filled pathetic attempt to come up with a counter to Java.

Obi Perrin 02-23-2003 04:53 PM

Though I agree with your distaste towards Javascript *cough*evil*cough*, Microsoft didn't actually come up with it. It was developed by Netscape and called LiveScript or something like that. It was renamed to javascript to catch a ride on the Java bandwagon that was so strong back then. Of course, all this did was fool a lot of people into assuming a relationship between the two - as in, javascript is a cut down version of Java. Even encompassing some school text books (mine included).

What would be interesting though is to ask why acid has such a problem with Java. Apart from it's slowness in comparison to native apps, what's to dislike about write-once run-anywhere code?

acid_kewpie 02-23-2003 05:01 PM

haha, criminy i didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition <sketch not included>

I just think Swing looks bloody awful, and horrible to use...

macewan 02-23-2003 05:08 PM

from what i've been reading about java now - it's not that slow anymore. my fear is people not at least trying it so it loses mind share amongst the linux crowd.

i worry about .Net catching on to the point that it's the visualbasic of webservices.

: )

acid_kewpie 02-23-2003 05:15 PM

i've tried it loads. and made it work just fine loads. i just hate swing. Mind you though I couldn't name a single application actually written in java that's had any commercial success to speak off. am i missing some?

Obi Perrin 02-23-2003 05:39 PM

Java, if it continues developing at it's current rate - and as much as you hate swing, you must admit it's significantly better than AWT? - then it will become a major language of the future that could considerably shrink the size of the microsoft monoply, meaning in turn, better hardware and commercial software support for Linux. Why else do you think Gates has engaged in the legal battle with Sun? Because Write-Once Run-Anywhere code removes the Applications Barrier to Entry, that is companies don't support smaller operating systems with software, and the operating systems are small because they have limited support.

A number of universities have switched to Java as the main programming language for Computer Science courses, so the lack of majorly successful apps we see at the moment will be solved in a matter of time as the number of Java developers increases.

Anyway, this is beside the point of the original post. That app looks pretty cool, I'll be downloading later.

macewan 02-24-2003 06:11 AM
this months issue.

also - Java Developers Journal has a Linux issue out at stand right now that discusses this very subject.

Tinkster 02-24-2003 01:47 PM


Originally posted by acid_kewpie
i've tried it loads. and made it work just fine loads. i just hate swing. Mind you though I couldn't name a single application actually written in java that's had any commercial success to speak off. am i missing some?
Depends on how you define "commercial success".
I know of several Java applications that are *heavily*
used, but they never have been sold since they are
"in-house" applications, mostly in the banking environment,
either developed and maintained within the bank, or
having been contracted out.

The only Java-app that I use every now and then is
limewire, though :}


macewan 02-24-2003 03:35 PM

it's funny to see that if you google "successful commercial java applications" that microsoft is the first link ; )

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