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Old 06-30-2005, 06:50 AM   #1
aussieskin
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firefox on mandrake 9.2


Hi all.
I have been playing with linux for a week. SO far got ubunutu and mandrake 9.2 to work. Now just working out which I like best...

Although...I really really like firefox and thunderbird but cant for the life of me get them to install on mandrake 9.2! I did download firefox and un tarred it, then ran the installer, and it loaded up, but I dont think that was right as I cant get any icons into the menus etc...

I have used the drakx installer thingy and even went to the URPMI site and ran the commands in the konsole....cant find firefox though....

anyone got any ideas for me?...or just a pointer in the right direction....I'm only about 1 week old to linux...and it took me 5 days to actually get it installed!

thanks
 
Old 06-30-2005, 08:01 AM   #2
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It sounds like you have Firefox installed. You can veryify that by opening a console. If it is a standard Firefox install, if you navigate to /usr/firefox/firefox-installer you should see a directory structure for Firefox.

The installer doesn't place icons on your desktop or in the start menu by default. You can add them if you wish. That is left to the user, a lot of linux users don't want the clutter on the desktop or the menu. If you search this forum, a lot of people have asked how to add icons. I have firefox installed on 9.2 and 10.1, works well on both.

If you open up MCC ( as you called it the Draksx thingy..) if your URPMI is updated, you should see in the Media Manager, a Main, a PLF-free, a Updates, a plf Non-free, a Contrib and jpackage. You can remove the CD's as source.

Post back if you need more help.
 
Old 07-01-2005, 06:32 AM   #3
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ahh ok..I am learning...maybe a bit slowly on soemthings, but I think I am getting there.

So to clarify on installation of firefox (and maybe some other programs)
I downloaded the firefox for linux...un-tarred it (in a normal window, not the CLI) then clicked on the installer file..it did its install thing (although it seemed to install it to the same directory I downloaded it to, which was in /home not /) then loaded up. Then the only way I could open firefox again was to click on the firefox-installer file....So is the firefox-installer is kinda like the firefox.exe file if I was to be in wondows? ...and... linux doesnt always just add an icon to the menu and desktopp and a million other places like windows does (which I do find irritating) and if I want that icon/shortcut then I need to make it myself, otherwise I just type in the console /home/firefox/firefox-installer (ot wherever it is...

I hope that made sense.

And one other question....do you need to install new programs onto the /root partition, or can you install them into home?

and if you can install them anywhere, is it safer to install them into the root partition where you need to have root access to change any files so dodgy folk who want to get into my computer and wreck things cant get tot hem?

sorry if I have just stated the obvious by the way....

I think I am getting the hang of this!
 
Old 07-01-2005, 08:26 AM   #4
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I just type in the console /home/firefox/firefox-installer (ot wherever it is...
No, the binary file to launch Firefox, is firefox, not firefox-installer. There are things in linux that are different than Windows. Generally the extensions like .exe are not present in Linux. If you use Konqueror to display a directory, an executable file will show as a blue gear. If you right click on the file and go to properties, it will show you it is a bin (binary) file. If you run firefox-installer, it will try and re-install firefox, definatly not necessary.

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do you need to install new programs onto the /root partition, or can you install them into home?
The answer here is user choice. It also depends which user installs a program, and what users will have access to it after the install.

If the root user installs it, the programs will go to the root partition, and any user will be able to use the one installation of the program. (That assumes you do not go to unusual lengths to change group or user permissions. )

If a user installs the program, ( this sounds like what you may have done ) it will be installed in the users /home directory. Other users will not have access to the program, unless they install it to their /home directories. This uses extra disk space, but could be a desirable way to install, if not all users should have access to all applications.

Why does it work this way? The simple answer is Linux has security built in, where windblows has very little.

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is it safer to install them into the root partition where you need to have root access to change any files
Yes, much safer. Not all users want to cause havoc, sometimes just not knowing is enough to cause trouble. As far as changing files for a program, usually only config files need any changes. Some apps allow the user to make their own preferences. Firefox is a good example. Every user will have some configuration in their /home directory. This way each user can run the application the way they want, things like skins, bookmarks etc.

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linux doesn't always just add an icon to the menu and desktop and a million other places like windows does (which I do find irritating)
Linux is a system with a much different philosophy. It is open, you can get the source code and modify it to your needs. Windows is closed, MS decides where the icons go, like it or lump it. Linux users like to control it gives you, and the price is right. You may find it irritating now, you will have to invest time learning a lot, if you want to be successful using it. MS is made for those who wish to know very little about their OS, and are satisfied to fill Mr Gates pockets with their hard earned money. Clearly, there is a choice for each user to make.
 
Old 07-01-2005, 09:14 AM   #5
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Cool, thanks for that! Now I know I am pretty much on the right track...
I have figured out how to add shortcuts and items into my menu's etc...not as complicated as I thought!

I'm the only one using this computer, so it doesn't matter that other people can't access the programs I install on my /home directory. Although I think I will try to install them on the root partition though.

As for Windows adding icons and shortcuts whererever it feels the need, thats the bit I find irritating! I like the fact that linux lets you have control over your shortcuts etc... I don;t see the point in having a shortcut to say firefox on the desktop, the quick launch bar and one in the menu aswell...kinda pointless really...

Now I am off to reinstall firefox and thunderbird now...since my last post I kinda uninstalled a few programs which I thought I didnt need, but after I did it, realised I did need them after all...such as menudrake and the software media manager etc..I didnt mean to uninstall them, so I don;t know how I did that, but I have learnt to be a bit more careful as I just had to reinstall mandrake altogether! haha

thanks again for your help!
 
  


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