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Old 05-22-2017, 04:07 AM   #1
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FAIL TO INSTALL REDHAT 5.1 in TYAN MOBO


Hi all,

im trying to install Redhat 5.1 to Tyan Motherboard S5542 with spec as follow:
CPU: Xeon E3-1275 v6
RAM 16 GB
Storage: 120GB x2 SSD(RAID 1)

The installation start with the graphical mode and stop at the page to choose language options. Both of my USB keyboard and mouse are not functioning.

After several tries with other version . its all end at the choose language options.

Is there a way for me to add USB driver into the ISO file and install the OS to my machine?

Thanks
 
Old 05-22-2017, 09:49 AM   #2
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Why RHEL5.1?

RHEL5 after 10 years is end of support as of the start of April 2017.

RHEL5.1 would have been fairly ancient. The latest RHEL5.x was RHEL5.10. If you must use RHEL5 at least try to use the latest in that family. It may be later kernels in the RHEL5.x line have the drivers you need.

You really shouldn't use RHEL5 at all though. As noted above it is end of support and various things such as TLSv1.1 & 1.2 are already known NOT to work in even the latest RHEL5.

If you need a 2.6.x kernel you can go to RHEL6. If you don't require a 2.6.x kernel I'd strongly suggest going to RHEL7 which is based on 3.x kernel.
 
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:58 AM   #3
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Hi all,

im trying to install Redhat 5.1 to Tyan Motherboard S5542 with spec as follow:
CPU: Xeon E3-1275 v6
RAM 16 GB
Storage: 120GB x2 SSD(RAID 1)

The installation start with the graphical mode and stop at the page to choose language options. Both of my USB keyboard and mouse are not functioning. After several tries with other version . its all end at the choose language options. Is there a way for me to add USB driver into the ISO file and install the OS to my machine?
Yes...pay for Red Hat, and install the latest version, which probably works with your current hardware.

And if you're not planning on paying for RHEL, save yourself a LOT of headaches and load CentOS 7.2 instead. Unless you PAY for RHEL, you will not get patches/updates/bugfixes/security fixes, and won't be able to use online repositories to easily install software. CentOS is 99.x% identical, but totally free.

::edit::
Seems like you were told these things previously, and ignored them then too:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...00-4175582806/

Last edited by TB0ne; 05-22-2017 at 10:00 AM.
 
Old 05-22-2017, 10:21 AM   #4
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@ newGuy@RHEL :

If you have some good reasons to use the obsolete RHEL 5, The 5.11 version is a must.

The free version is "Redhat CentOS 5.11"
64bits http://vault.centos.org/5.11/isos/x8...n-DVD-1of2.iso



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Old 05-22-2017, 08:20 PM   #5
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Why RHEL5.1?

RHEL5 after 10 years is end of support as of the start of April 2017.

RHEL5.1 would have been fairly ancient. The latest RHEL5.x was RHEL5.10. If you must use RHEL5 at least try to use the latest in that family. It may be later kernels in the RHEL5.x line have the drivers you need.

You really shouldn't use RHEL5 at all though. As noted above it is end of support and various things such as TLSv1.1 & 1.2 are already known NOT to work in even the latest RHEL5.

If you need a 2.6.x kernel you can go to RHEL6. If you don't require a 2.6.x kernel I'd strongly suggest going to RHEL7 which is based on 3.x kernel.
Thanks for your reply, Yes i know that it end of support. However, it requirement from the upper management. The licence is working, i need to get it done. the current machine is running and its old. the plane is run new hardware with the same OS. Any suggestions ?
 
Old 05-22-2017, 08:25 PM   #6
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Yes...pay for Red Hat, and install the latest version, which probably works with your current hardware.

And if you're not planning on paying for RHEL, save yourself a LOT of headaches and load CentOS 7.2 instead. Unless you PAY for RHEL, you will not get patches/updates/bugfixes/security fixes, and won't be able to use online repositories to easily install software. CentOS is 99.x% identical, but totally free.

::edit::
Seems like you were told these things previously, and ignored them then too:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...00-4175582806/
Thank you for your reply. I agree with you that CentOS save a lot of troublesome, we do have new machines running with CentOS. However, there are some machine that cannot be change and require to run in REDHAT.
For the pervious thread, it is a MUST to run REDHAT with NVIDIA Graphic Card. Proposed with CentOS was rejected. Lucky for me to managed to solve it. Else i cant keep my rice bowl.
 
Old 05-22-2017, 08:26 PM   #7
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@ newGuy@RHEL :

If you have some good reasons to use the obsolete RHEL 5, The 5.11 version is a must.

The free version is "Redhat CentOS 5.11"
64bits http://vault.centos.org/5.11/isos/x8...n-DVD-1of2.iso



-

Thank you for your reply. Will try it out later.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 07:27 AM   #8
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Thanks for your reply, Yes i know that it end of support. However, it requirement from the upper management. The licence is working, i need to get it done. the current machine is running and its old. the plane is run new hardware with the same OS. Any suggestions ?
First, the license is not working, unless you purchased the (expensive) extended support:
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata

...but from your other thread, you said you do NOT have purchased support. Which is it???

Secondly, the "requirement from upper management" makes zero sense. Upper management doesn't care what OS the server run, and certainly doesn't dictate such things, but they DO dictate purchasing new hardware. Which they approved, so it again makes zero sense that they'd approve new hardware and not the few hundred dollars on an updated OS on a production server. Your story makes little sense. And AGAIN, an old OS isn't going to work well (maybe at ALL) on new hardware.
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Thank you for your reply. I agree with you that CentOS save a lot of troublesome, we do have new machines running with CentOS. However, there are some machine that cannot be change and require to run in REDHAT. For the pervious thread, it is a MUST to run REDHAT with NVIDIA Graphic Card. Proposed with CentOS was rejected. Lucky for me to managed to solve it. Else i cant keep my rice bowl.
Sorry, again makes zero sense. nVidia cards work just fine with CentOS, as well as pretty much with any other version of Linux. You are contradicting yourself, and saying things that make no sense...why, I don't know. We are all telling you that the old RHEL isn't going to work well (if at ALL) on new hardware, and to get the latest. Why you think we'd tell you this if it wasn't true, I don't know. The old 5.11 CentOS is again, pointless....if you're building a new server with new hardware, using an EOL operating system makes ZERO SENSE.

Either load the latest CentOS 7.2 or pay for RHEL 7.2...pick one.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 09:37 AM   #9
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Thanks for your reply, Yes i know that it end of support. However, it requirement from the upper management. The licence is working, i need to get it done. the current machine is running and its old. the plane is run new hardware with the same OS. Any suggestions ?
As posted by someone else the "license" for RHEL5 isn't working. There is no "License". There IS a "Subscription". If you have a valid subscription then upgrade to RHEL6 or RHEL7 would use the same subscription so this can't be the limiting factor. In point of fact the subscription model for RHEL5 used the old RHN Classic setup which RedHat has just this month ended support of RHN in favor of Subscription Management (RHSM) which has been out for some time. Versions prior to 5.4 could not be converted to use RHSM so even with a valid subscription you're not getting updates any longer.

If you don't have a subscription then you might want to look at CentOS as mentioned by others. It is a binary compile of RHEL sources. Having said that, there ARE some differences between RHEL and CentOS. CentOS5 like RHEL5 is not going to be getting any further updates for the simple fact there won't be any RHEL5 updates on which to base them.

If the kernel you're using doesn't have drivers for the peripherals I won't say it is impossible to find them and add them but I do think it will be extremely difficult because most vendors won't have added support for old OSes in their drivers.

You really need to explain to your management that running RHEL5.1 is NOT an option any longer. Here I was able to convince management to go to RHEL6 because it has the same kernel base (2.6.x) and the things we were doing on RHEL5 (including running older Oracle) we were able to make work on RHEL6 though it did take some effort.

This page shows RHEL5 was release over TEN YEARS AGO and 5.1 the first update to that is approaching ten years. Even the most recent update to 5.11 was 3 years ago. The number of security and bug fixes that were added over the years is quite daunting.
https://access.redhat.com/articles/3078#RHEL5

Last edited by MensaWater; 05-23-2017 at 09:39 AM.
 
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Old 05-23-2017, 09:01 PM   #10
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First, the license is not working, unless you purchased the (expensive) extended support:
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata

...but from your other thread, you said you do NOT have purchased support. Which is it???

Secondly, the "requirement from upper management" makes zero sense. Upper management doesn't care what OS the server run, and certainly doesn't dictate such things, but they DO dictate purchasing new hardware. Which they approved, so it again makes zero sense that they'd approve new hardware and not the few hundred dollars on an updated OS on a production server. Your story makes little sense. And AGAIN, an old OS isn't going to work well (maybe at ALL) on new hardware.

Sorry, again makes zero sense. nVidia cards work just fine with CentOS, as well as pretty much with any other version of Linux. You are contradicting yourself, and saying things that make no sense...why, I don't know. We are all telling you that the old RHEL isn't going to work well (if at ALL) on new hardware, and to get the latest. Why you think we'd tell you this if it wasn't true, I don't know. The old 5.11 CentOS is again, pointless....if you're building a new server with new hardware, using an EOL operating system makes ZERO SENSE.

Either load the latest CentOS 7.2 or pay for RHEL 7.2...pick one.
Thank you for your advice. staying with REDHAT 5.1 is requirement as the application runs well in it.
Try all out, nothing helps. will moved to redhat 7.2 ans test our application. Hopefully it will work
 
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Thank you for your advice. staying with REDHAT 5.1 is requirement as the application runs well in it.
Absolutely wrong. First, if your application is TOTALLY DEPENDENT on an ancient operating system, then your application has absolutely no future. You CANNOT run on old stuff forever, sorry. Get your application updated. This is not a 'requirement' but seems like your company doesn't want to put any work into getting things right.
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Try all out, nothing helps. will moved to redhat 7.2 ans test our application. Hopefully it will work
..and you still ignore what was told to you: either PAY FOR RED HAT or do not use it, and use CentOS 7.2 instead, and it seems like you (again) contradict yourself. Your application 'requires' 5.1....so you're going to then just try 7.2??

If you have not tested things, then how do you know what your 'requirements' are???
 
Old 05-24-2017, 01:59 AM   #12
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Absolutely wrong. First, if your application is TOTALLY DEPENDENT on an ancient operating system, then your application has absolutely no future. You CANNOT run on old stuff forever, sorry. Get your application updated. This is not a 'requirement' but seems like your company doesn't want to put any work into getting things right.

..and you still ignore what was told to you: either PAY FOR RED HAT or do not use it, and use CentOS 7.2 instead, and it seems like you (again) contradict yourself. Your application 'requires' 5.1....so you're going to then just try 7.2??

If you have not tested things, then how do you know what your 'requirements' are???
updating of applications is in process. there are projects that still required the applications to run. It not that we do not want to move on with new OS. We still have redhat 4.8 running till end of the year. Anyway thanks you for your advice and help. Had tested on CentOS 6.2. It managed to work well with applications.
 
Old 05-24-2017, 08:32 AM   #13
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Had tested on CentOS 6.2. It managed to work well with applications.
Be sure you run "yum update" after installing to go to latest CentOS 6.x update. It will be based on the same upstream versions of packages as 6.2 but have newer bug and security fixes.
 
Old 05-24-2017, 09:22 AM   #14
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CentOS 6.2 : Not always possible to update a version that old. (I couldn't update an old install of CentOS 6.6)

Latest is CentOS 6.9
http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/cent...64-LiveDVD.iso
 
Old 05-24-2017, 08:46 PM   #15
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Be sure you run "yum update" after installing to go to latest CentOS 6.x update. It will be based on the same upstream versions of packages as 6.2 but have newer bug and security fixes.
Thanks you for the advices.
Our machine is all standalone no connection to Internet.
When the projects meet the deadline, we move on to REDHAT 7 but that will take some times.
 
  


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