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View Poll Results: Do we really need MS and Windoze on linux??
Yes, I want to use WINE and MS softwares on Linux 21 52.50%
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Old 09-21-2003, 09:57 AM   #1
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Do we really need Wine and Windoze Applications on Linux?

Hi friends...

This is the first poll that i have posted on LQ.

I Installed Wine a couple of days back and was able to setup small applications like paintbrush, solitaire, freecell, winamp and notepad to run on my linux box.

Although I was a little reluctant, I thought of giving MS OFFICE 2000 a try......After installation, which didnt create any problems....I ran winword.exe, which again loaded after couple of tweaks. However, after tweaking every possible setting that has been given, still MS Word, Excel, Powerpoint freeze after I keep on clicking the main menu options File, Edit, View etc......It simply freezes.....and moreover, the registry setting provided at frank's corner site was not entirely correct. Word refused to load with the setting that was given without the semicolon at the beginning of both the lines!...

Anyways.....that brings me to the real point of discussion...

Do we really need to allow Microsoft applications to reach our linux box??? Why then, are we trying to make way for MS products without any apparent compulsions??

Not to forget that we have switched to linux becos its not like Windoze! then why are we trying to be lazy and inviting MS to our desktop again, so that we can let it crash our systems again???

In fact, i have realised that may be least I am at fault ...trying to run MS Applications on linux.....I feel that we simply dont need MS and windoze applications, when every small package in this linux distribution is good enough to give us an enjoyable and lasting computing experience....And, out there, so many people are working day by day, to make our computing experience better and better...

I am not opposing the makers of WINE and nor against those who are trying to use MS softwares on their linux systems.

My point is...Why cant we learn to use applications which are packaged with our respective distributions...just like the way we learnt to use MS applications few years back? Then, I dont think we'll ever need to go back to MS again!...

thanks and regards...
Old 09-21-2003, 10:06 AM   #2
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There are many great programs for window that people want to have on Linux. It'll also make migration simpler, even make it possible for many people.
And.. one word: games!
Just because you had some problems doesn't mean anything, sure it's alpha software, not guarantted to work. For that matter.. nothing is guarantted to work.
MS Office works on wine, I've heard that from a lot of people. Make sure you are following instructions exactely as they are outlined. And.. try mailing the wine-user mailing list, and asking if you really need help.
I think that the wine project is critical to the adoption of Linux. Without it many people would remain on Windows.
Old 09-21-2003, 10:57 AM   #3
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Just because we dislike Windows doesn't mean we have to dislike all Microsoft apps. Of course, if your beef is against MS as a company, then you will want to avoid all MS apps as well as Windows itself.

As for me, the only MS app I ever find the need to use on Linux is Windows Media Player. Yes, there are other (and better) alternates on Linux, but when I hit a site that streams only in WMP, I need it.

Now I'm hoping that someone will tell me that there is a non-MS app that will run WMP streams!

Old 09-21-2003, 11:04 AM   #4
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Try MPlayer......

WINE is not just for MS apps, it runs a number of apps. If you need an app, and it hasn't been ported to Linux, you only have 2 options: use WINE or boot into Windows.

Until all apps are either ported or have equal alternatives, there will always be a need for WINE.
Old 09-21-2003, 11:08 AM   #5
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in my personal opinion i do use wine, but its not just so much for programs, as when i actually think about it i don't think have any running with wine, the main reason why i do run wine, is because of games and that would be it.... since games like counter-strike have not been ported yet, this is the only option, as i refuse to dual boot with windows...
Old 09-21-2003, 11:24 AM   #6
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WMP isn't that great, Zoom player is better (in windows).

mplayer is good, too. The problem in my PC is that I see screen flash in 640x480 full screen mode (np in windows mode). I would say it's a small problem so I don't need wine yet.

If I play games, I may need winex as well, but I don't need it yet.
Old 09-23-2003, 06:42 AM   #7
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Wow, what great wisdom....
Ok, it's windows that you people don't like isn't it? not ALL of the companies and software that goes into it (or has your rage changed without me noticing?) I mean really, if the program works, use it. Why worry about if it was made for a buggy os or not. If you care, change the program. I'm sorry about being cynical, but some people like windows proggies. I need Macromedia Dreamweaver and Flash, show me a linux proggie that holds up against them or make me one and I shall consider your arguement.
Old 09-23-2003, 07:06 AM   #8
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You know if I could ever get wine to work I would think it was a good idea. In my experience the thing just doesn't work period.
Old 09-23-2003, 07:18 AM   #9
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As I enjoy making sites (I am NOT a proffesional - can't even make a simple site using only notepad) I use Namo Webeditor quite a lot, as far I know there is no linux version for it.

Oh, and we must not forget all the gamers out there...
Old 09-23-2003, 09:37 AM   #10
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last night i purcahsed grand theft auto vice city off the internet and I will play it in winex.. should be a pretty fun game
Old 09-26-2003, 07:39 PM   #11
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Try using Quanta for the website making.
It's very nice.
Old 09-26-2003, 10:27 PM   #12
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I think that the ability to run the software of your choice is great.
The ability to run the software of your choice cross-platform can only be good also.
It is too bad that neither Wine or Cigwin can live up to what they seem to suggest when you first hear about them. I think one day they will.
Old 09-27-2003, 05:27 AM   #13
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If you really need to run windows apps you are much better off with vmware.Yeah - I know, you have to pay for it.
Old 09-27-2003, 06:16 AM   #14
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It's a pitty but some windows software has no equals in Linux (like Photoshop) :/
Old 09-28-2003, 07:08 PM   #15
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/me likes gimp (linux) more than adobe Photoshop (mac & pc) a better example of software without linux equals would be Macromedia Dreamweaver and Flash.


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