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Do we really need desktops?
I have been using the windows desktop as well as KDE and Gnome. However Linux can work very nicely without them with the new windowmanagers on plain X. It is here tha Linux really shines and flies!
I feel that Linux has been getting a bad name re-crashes and slow speeds - BECAUSE of the desktops and the office suits. This is the work of MS and other commercial distributers to get people to computers who are clueless and have phobias. In the present day, far more computer aware populations - it maybe wise to tell them the disadvantages of using the above chunky and massively buggy software of desktops and office suits. Use abiword gnumeric pythonpoint mysql or postgresql with GUI frontends |
All in one environments can be pretty sexy for some people. I love eyecandy now and again.
Personally I use blackbox on a day to day basis, but now and again I end up playing in KDE... As for it being slow and clunky, I don't get that. I have older hardware (a laptop that's a P2-333 and a 1Ghz Athlon) and KDE 3.1 has been nothing but great since I installed 9.1 so I don't understand people complaining about slowness... (a friend of mine is running KDE 3.1 on a p90, now THAT'S slow, but we've played with it and the general feel is that it takes forever to start, but once started it is usable....not great mind you, but usable...we've mostly switched that machine over to blackbox now and its doing great for what he needs it to do). |
There are other windowmanagers that are much lighter than KDE and GNOME, like FluxBox or Enlightenment.....I suggest you try these out.
I usually use FluxBox, recently installed Enlightenment and like is very much so far :D |
I do - got people speaking english,german and brasilian that use my box.Really easy to set up with kde.
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That's an interesting thought. Open source "failure of nerve"? For instance, the Mozilla project has dumped their browser suite and are going to go with Phoenix/Firebird which always was an IE knockoff instead of Netscape-like like Mozilla. And with all the attempts to win over MS users with MS-like things like KDE and office suites and things that are diametrically opposed to *nix-like piping with grep on command lines, it is bringing a lot of Windows-like problems. Large resource consumption, app crashes, etc. (I understand a browser-suite is also diametrically opposed but, hey, allow me my contradictions.) ;) There's been a million *nix vs. MS threads and GUI vs. CLI threads, but this feels a little different. Interesting.
I like the command line and I like lightweight window managers and KDE's even kind of neat to look at and play with. I don't think anything KDE and Open Office does is a problem in itself, because you can do any of it or not. But I do wonder if people think they want Windows and they get something that's close to Windows but not identical, they're likely to be the kind of people not to explore alternative window managers. And they're likely to think "What's the point in this nearly-Windows OS? It's not quite 'good enough' because it's still a little different". If KDE could precisely duplicate Windows they might think "It's exactly the same but cheaper!" Or if Linux could "sell" them on its complete differences with command line tools and lightweight Window managers, maybe they'd get it. But Linux seems to be trying to "emulate" Windows, yet "still be Linux" and this probably isn't going to impress many Windows-oriented OR Linux-oriented users in the long run. For myself, I like the command line at times and thought I was die-hard blackboxer but fluxbox may be even better. But I'm happy it's all there, overall. I just wonder about all these "default to GUI on boot and GUI means KDE" distros and the first impression people are getting of running Linux. It's also disappointing that KDE replicates so many of the dumb GUI things in Windows. Like having a "close" button in a box that's already got a "close" button on the window of the box. Dumb little things like that. Most of the GUI elements are like Windows or a little more awkward. Linux had the opportunity for an IDE that had a new interface logic but basically just repeated the basic Windows 9x paradigm. *cough* Short answer: no, we don't need desktops. :) This is definitely "Software" but unless I'm missing the point of the question, it feels more "Linux - General" or even "General" though. *g* |
I am quite partial to my sexxxy gnome, however I do everything but AIM in a terminal window :p
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Do we really need computers?
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How would we play solitaire? :D |
Or do computers really need us?
What with the way we ping, probe, delete, shout & curse and swear at them, one day they will rebel. The Gnome in my box is rattling the hard drive. |
Who needs X with framebuffer?
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No one!:(
But about computers rebelling against us? Matrix:cool: Digiot mentions something worth thinking about. Is it cool to chase after MSwindows desktops with KDE and GNOME? They even have modifiers to make them look and feel like Windows! This is like how Windows chased MacOS! Well I guess we don't really need desktops but.... Anyway it is a pity if new Linux users never look at the Linux CLI/xterm windows/ Fluxbox, Enlightenment etc. AND vi :eek: Some think that most of GUI software - abiword, gnumeric even web browsers like Firebird, will NOT run without KDE or GNOME! :tisk: |
I enjoy customising the desktop now and again, just for a bit of flar, but as it was said before, 90% of my activities are done in a terminal window, which functions just fine for my needs. Most of the time, when I'm just adjusting small things, I don't even start KDE after logging in; I don't need to look at a pretty background to vi/mcedit a file
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I guess desktops are nice to work on, I use them too, but the fact is we can do without them.
The window managers people mention above are very nice too. They don't have a real desktoop but are eficiently functional acn configurable. If we really need KDE/GNOME why don't they be really innovative and change the way we do things rather than be a MACOS/MSWIndows/IBMOS2 lookalike? |
Desktops are the main reason why computing takes long. Draging your mouse across the windows is probably the thing that takes longest. Desktops are really for kids/amateurs because unless you are doing graphical design or playing video games, you don't need no desktop-- in fact you probably don't even need a mouse. I dare the people ofn the forum to unplug their mouse for a week and see if their productivity increases!
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vabaliukas : "just get IE under wine and you will be surfing like the web is your house, ok"
Just remember that desktops are really for kid/amateurs,hehe. |
i disagree.
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Need or no....I don't think need comes into it too much at this point.
Linux is about freedom and choice... so if someone chooses to have a desktop environment that looks like windows so be it. Just like I choose to run blackbox or someone else chooses to say on the command line :D |
Most certainly!
Open source software is about choice and freedom. But windows users like me who started with Linux a few years ago - before KDE - learned about the multiple window managers running on X. What variety!!! Isn't it a loss of choice and freedom not to be made aware of this variety? This is Linux for godsake, not MSW Those who start with Linux nowadays will either learn KDE or GNOME and never know that Enlightenment, WindowMaker, AfterStep, FluxBox,IceWM etc etc exist!! There is another which looks exactly like Windows XP! Try that for freedom of choice! Didn't try anything other than KDE?GNOME? Great pity! :D |
Call me a pansy or whatever, but I know who the lightweight is when we compare how many linux computers I am in charge of. I like having X for my workstation. It runs great with a hacked copy of gdm so that I can still run SELinux. X does NOT, however, run on any of my servers. It is too bulky and full of too much buggy code (Like sendmail, yuck!)
I personally use blackbox or hackedbox with aterm for the cool transparent window effect. Thats just me. It loads olmost instantly and has a tiny memory footprint. I can run it (using VNC) from Africa over a crappy connections and it is perfectly fine. Think about it... The computer wouldn't be so attractive to the average joe if it didn't have the pretty GUI and nice bubbly icons to play with. It would be only appealing to geeks like us and then we would lose allot of the creativity due to disinterest and learning curbs. This might cause some flames for me but if [ GUI ]; then dumbuser + internet + linux = enlightened user else dumbuser + windows = dumberuser fi think about it! |
I'm joining this thread a little late but I say it's up to YOU.
My poweredge runs no X programs at all. It's all console and is setup to do what I want it to do. It handles all my routing, dhcp, fetchmail, imap, squirrelmail, file serving (smb) among a few other things. Before my last move it had an uptime of over two and a half years. The probability of that happening if X server with any desktop was running would be slim to none. The machine I'm on right now...totally differnt story...Fluxbox, Mozilla, Gaim, XMMS... Do you need a GUI? Not at all. Most any time spent on my computer at work is spent ssh'd into my linuxbox browsing in lynx and checking email with pine. Is the GUI nice to have on my desktop computer...yes very..especially with playing Enemy Territory :-> Keep the faith! Seabass |
to seabass:
>>su - >>cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp ROFL |
I'm a little mixed on the whole GUI issue, i'm relativly new to linux and ive been having fun on the command line, but i still like the GUI its a nice change esp some of the other varriant of GUI such as blackbox, gnone etc.. anyway one of the thing i like about linux so far, is in the constole its very responsive to what i want it to do even on an old 233 that ive been experting on, anyway u know what i did the min that KDE 3.1 loaded up, i immendatly destroyed the windows theme and went with some more extreme theme just to get the heck away from windows heh :)
and oh by the way i'm new here, HI! |
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