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Old 12-08-2016, 09:00 PM   #1
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DamnSmallLinux 4.4.10 live usb does not boot


2016-12-08

I've just created a live usb of DSL-4-4-10 on an LM18 system. Even though I've set up the machine's BIOS to first boot from the USB drive, DSL is always superseded by LM18 on the HDD. I don't have this problem with this machine when I insert an LM17.1 or Ubuntu 12.04 live usb.

I'll appreciate any help from this forum.

Julianvb

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Old 12-08-2016, 09:14 PM   #2
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Rather than creating a DSL USB device, I recommend creating a EASY2BOOT USB device and loading DSL onto it. Advantage, the E2B boot is more likely to succeed and preempt the HDD boot, AND you will have room to install TinyCore, PUPPY, SLAX, and a few other live CD images on the same device.
 
Old 12-08-2016, 09:22 PM   #3
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Rather than creating a DSL USB device, I recommend creating a EASY2BOOT USB device and loading DSL onto it. Advantage, the E2B boot is more likely to succeed and preempt the HDD boot, AND you will have room to install TinyCore, PUPPY, SLAX, and a few other live CD images on the same device.
wpeckham,

That is an excellent and new idea to me. I've been doing things the old way. How can I create an EASY2BOOT USB? Thanks very much.

Julianvb
 
Old 12-08-2016, 10:03 PM   #4
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http://www.easy2boot.com/make-an-eas...ke-using-linux

DSL isn't a "hybrid iso" (0x55aa = 125125 at end of 1st 512byte 'MBR' block) see by:
od /dev/sr0|more (sr0 is cd; your usb: sd?; or file.iso! look for 0000760 line)
http://superuser.com/questions/66948...on-a-usb-drive (mentions E2B way down in middle)

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Old 12-09-2016, 06:56 AM   #5
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wpeckham,

That is an excellent and new idea to me. I've been doing things the old way. How can I create an EASY2BOOT USB? Thanks very much.

Julianvb
I never thought of it being difficult to find. IF you enter easy2boot as the search term the very first link is to http://www.easy2boot.com/

Everything you need (other than the ISO files themselves, and a USB device) are available on that site.
It does assume you will be starting and maintaining the USB device from a Windows desktop, my only issue with the product.
 
Old 12-09-2016, 03:13 PM   #6
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I stopped being a Windows user many years ago. Thanks very much again.

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Old 12-09-2016, 05:10 PM   #7
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Jjanel,

Thanks for pointing out that DSL is not a hybrid ISO. When I try to convert it to a hybrid ISO via isohybrid as follow
Code:
isohybrid dsl-4.4.10.iso
LinuxMint 18 returns:
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dsl-4.4.10.iso: boot loader does not have an isolinux.bin hybrid signature. Note that isolinux-debug does not support hybrid booting.
Julianvb
 
Old 12-10-2016, 09:09 AM   #8
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I never thought of it being difficult to find. IF you enter easy2boot as the search term the very first link is to http://www.easy2boot.com/

Everything you need (other than the ISO files themselves, and a USB device) are available on that site.
It does assume you will be starting and maintaining the USB device from a Windows desktop, my only issue with the product.
Yeah, Them SOB's I got like three or 4 USB Sticks that I'd Love to consolidate. but nooo they cannot code in linux, having to use exe files that they state will only work on NTFS file system. Even though the first line on that page about them, states this,

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Make an E2B USB drive (FAT32 or NTFS) using Windows or linux
Then if you read further, you'll see that they have exe files which cancels out Linux from having full access to all of the options they say they have put into their software.

A piece of software that is directed more towards Linux users and is written to be used in Windows. WTF?
 
Old 12-10-2016, 05:02 PM   #9
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"BIOS to first boot from the USB drive," Are you saying that you move the usb above the internal hard drive or are you using some usb choice?
 
Old 12-10-2016, 05:38 PM   #10
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jefro,

I have set up the BIOS so that it will boot from the USB drive and I've also moved the USB above the Internal Hard Drive. This method works with my LM17.1 and Ubuntu 12.04 live USBs. I'm mainly interested making a DSL live USB work in the same manner. I hope I'm making my point sufficiently clear.

Thanks.

Julianvb
 
Old 12-10-2016, 08:35 PM   #11
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As you notice you can't use default DSL. You'll have to consider other ways like a creator like liveusb or unetbootin if they support it or make maybe a grub4dos entry that loads either the iso or maybe the squashed file. Grub2 may be able as well as maybe supergrub.

Other ideas like this. http://cects.com/multiboot-dsl/

I think syslinux should be able to be bootable but some loaders don't always work with some systems.

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Old 12-11-2016, 08:40 AM   #12
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2016-12-08

I've just created a live usb of DSL-4-4-10 on an LM18 system. Even though I've set up the machine's BIOS to first boot from the USB drive, DSL is always superseded by LM18 on the HDD. I don't have this problem with this machine when I insert an LM17.1 or Ubuntu 12.04 live usb.

I'll appreciate any help from this forum.

Julianvb
Another thought, if it might help. As much as I like DSL, I have gone towards using TinyCore Linux more often. It has many of the same characteristics (insanely small, for one) plus uses a more modern kernel and is in current development. Since it uses a more modern boot system, it is more compatible with both direct and indirect booting from USB devices. You may want to give it a try.

PS. Check THIS page http://www.easy2boot.com/make-an-eas...e-using-linux/ for instructions on creating an E2B device starting from a Linux, rather than Windows, host.

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Old 12-11-2016, 08:52 PM   #13
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wpeckham,

Thanks very much for mentioning TinyCore to me. I created a bootable TinyCore USB in no time tonight in Linux Mint 18.

Does TinyCore feature or work with repin? I think I am not advanced enough to pursue DSL any further even though this post was originally motivated by my interest in its respin capability.

Julianvb

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Old 12-12-2016, 12:39 AM   #14
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#10here. websearch: tiny linux build custom iso (no-tiny finds Ubuntu etc) ./.
Don't give up on DSL (maybe you can create a 'hybrid' iso! Idk tho. this/this?)
I had some 'good fun' with NuTyX! (LFS-based! It got me into `make tinyconfig` kernel messing!)
Best wishes. Looking forward to your sharing what you learn with me (&future others!) A LQ blog?

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Old 12-12-2016, 07:06 AM   #15
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wpeckham,

Thanks very much for mentioning TinyCore to me. I created a bootable TinyCore USB in no time tonight in Linux Mint 18.

Does TinyCore feature or work with repin? I think I am not advanced enough to pursue DSL any further even though this post was originally motivated by my interest in its respin capability.

Julianvb
You can respin any distribution. This is LINUX, after all!

You will want to check the distributors documentation at the sites. I would start at wiki.tinycorelinux.net and look for the "remaster" or "remastering" link. They also have some links in the pages to project that started by spinning off of TinyCore Linux.

Most normal users do not need a respin. It has a package system and you can install packages to provide the software you need.

DSL is is no longer changing, having reached the original design and development goals and having no reason to change. TinyCore is still developing and changing, and there are a few different images that can be downloaded. Before undertaking a respin, you may want to look around and determine which is already close to what you want.
 
  


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