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Old 06-18-2003, 03:42 AM   #1
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best web development software?


I'm trying to convert all my daily tasks to Linux and I need a good web development program. I currently use Dreamweaver with Windows. I do a bunch of server side programming and mostly code by hand, but I use the visual editor at times too. Any suggestions?
 
Old 06-18-2003, 03:49 AM   #2
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I've dabbled with Quanta bit, seems to be pretty good. Some mention BlueFish to be quite good, never tried it though. In the end, your hard corps developers will squeeze in the "Nothing beats vi", which, well, might be right

There are a few others that I gave 10 second chances to, but Quanta is the one I use occasionally when I just wanna click a button instead of type <b></b>

Cool
 
Old 06-18-2003, 04:27 AM   #3
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Hey, MasterC, don't dis vi. =-} (you asked for it)
Does Quanta add extraneous crap like most HTML-specific editors? Does it provide easy server-side includes of other files (like headers or footers)? Lastly, does it allow hand editing if you're particular about things?
 
Old 06-18-2003, 04:40 AM   #4
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See. Nah, moses, most of the time I use vim as well. Just every so often, when I get in a "click and go" mood, I prefer Quanta. Nothing quite beats creating a bunch of stuff made out of letters/numbers/characters and turning it into a nice looking webpage.

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Old 06-18-2003, 04:44 AM   #5
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Right you are, that's what Linux is all about to me, doing things by hand.
Actually, those were honest-to-goodness questions. =-}
 
Old 06-18-2003, 04:54 AM   #6
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he he he:

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Does Quanta add extraneous crap like most HTML-specific editors?
Do you mean like a bunch of <!----tags>? Nah. Nothing I've found yet anyway.
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Does it provide easy server-side includes of other files (like headers or footers)?
I do believe so. However, since I really haven't ever used Quanta for that, I can't be sure.
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Lastly, does it allow hand editing if you're particular about things?
Yes, definitely. It's mainly a text editor, with buttons if you choose. You can do it all by hand if you'd like, but it's like gvim where it has the added colors so you can get a WYSIWYG type feeling without WYSIWYG. Also, there is a button that lets you view the page as is without publishing it. It's definitely something worth looking at, at least once. I use vi for creating my pages, and then when I want to add an occasional "zippy" to it, I'll break out Quanta for assistance.



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Major drawback of Quanta is it's speed. It's a QT app, so it opens as slow as any other KDE application does..

Other than that, I can't think of too many problems with it.

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Old 06-18-2003, 05:03 AM   #8
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Yeah, the speed's one of the things I cringed at when I glanced at their web page. Stupid DCOP server crap when I don't run KDE pisses me off. =-} (Same with the Oaf or whatever process manager Gnome uses)
 
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Exactly. If one is already used to doing things by hand, there really is no need for Quanta. But for someone looking for a GUI/Dreamweaver like app, it's not a bad option.

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Old 06-18-2003, 05:17 AM   #10
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Originally posted by MasterC
he he he:


Do you mean like a bunch of <!----tags>? Nah. Nothing I've found yet anyway.
Finally. =-}

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Yes, definitely. It's mainly a text editor, with buttons if you choose. You can do it all by hand if you'd like, but it's like gvim where it has the added colors so you can get a WYSIWYG type feeling without WYSIWYG. Also, there is a button that lets you view the page as is without publishing it. It's definitely something worth looking at, at least once. I use vi for creating my pages, and then when I want to add an occasional "zippy" to it, I'll break out Quanta for assistance.

Cool
Cool, indeed. I may have to look at this. I'm starting to feel old and stodgy. =-} I had to turn down a part time, at home job because I didn't feel I have enough experience writing web pages (want a part time job? =-} building web pages for a cool laptop distributor?). SIGH. That's OK, though, 'cuz they'll probably hit me up for linux support on laptops soon. =-}
I'll need to start investing my time in other distros (Suck it, Moses, suck it up).
 
Old 06-18-2003, 12:10 PM   #11
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hey moses, you wanna tell me more about that part time at home web job? email me at ejunksux@hotmail.com, that would be greatly appriciated.

Thanks a lot for the input guys, I'll check out Quanta and vi.
 
Old 06-18-2003, 12:35 PM   #12
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...SIGH. That's OK, though, 'cuz they'll probably hit me up for linux support on laptops soon. =-}
I'll need to start investing my time in other distros (Suck it, Moses, suck it up).
Hey that's better than web design anyday!

As for investing time in other distros, pfff. I'm sure you could easily walk up to a machine (or ssh in) and within seconds figure out:
rpm -qa | grep blah
Pfff. I really don't think that any other distro out there would cause, especially you, any problems when troubleshooting. Well, except suSe and their non-standard "standardized" issues....

Besides if they are calling you for support, I'm sure it's gonna be something more in depth and require actual linux knowledge, not distro-specific crap (I could be way wrong though).



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Old 06-18-2003, 01:41 PM   #13
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Well, I talked (emailed) with the guy this morning and it looks like they've already filled the web development position (sorry Moebius). I ASSume anyone who is looking to install linux on one of the laptops these guys sell will have some knowledge of linux, so I'm not too concerned. The issue is that IF they even offer the job, I'd want to know enough about random distros not to make the company look foolish when helping someone who doesn't know much about RH or Debian or whatever they are installing.
 
Old 06-18-2003, 02:10 PM   #14
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I tried Quanta the other day. It auto-magically ended my tags for me. I'm really lazy. I like it!
 
Old 06-18-2003, 02:11 PM   #15
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Laziness, a tell-tale sign of Hunger. You need a Snickers.

COol
 
  


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