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Old 05-23-2003, 06:10 PM   #1
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ATI Rant

Ok... here's a bit of a rant... if anyone has followed the fglrx / radeon / agp support topics that have been floating around the last couple of weeks you may or may not know I've been (and so have others) a pretty big supporter of the schneider drivers. In the search to get my 9700 working with my mobo I had to patch the ATI drivers to get agp to work.

In the beginning of this quest I emailed both VIA and ATI wondering if / when support was going to be added. I heard no response from either teams sales or support. So working with the kernel developers Dave Jones and some other people I studied the support that was in the 2.5.x kernel for other chipsets and after about 2 months got agpgart working for my motherboard. I then ran around like an idiot in excitement. So afterward I gratefully sent the patch to schneider so that in future times others with a P4X400 chipset would find support for their chipset. I've also been working with some folks such as martinman (who unfortunately still does not have a working agp but I think he's been busy with other things) to get these things out there so people can get this working. I'm sure we all know how frustrating it is to try to get drm to work.

long story short ATI brushed off my emails and offered me no hope. Now after I solved the problem I get this email from ATI:

Hello Mr. Barto,

i am a software engineer here at ATI
and caring right now for getting the
support for your P4X400 chipset into
the driver's codebase.

i am using your modified files as a
reference for my works right now.
i would have prefered a "unified diff"
from that (done via "diff -u")
in other cases but as you did a
consisten naeing i think i can
identify the changed lines
relatively easy.

Alexander Stohr
Software Developer
ATI Research GmbH
Starnberg, GERMANY

now I have mixed feelings... on the one hand I'm pissed at them cause I never even got a 'we-dont-know-how-to-fix-it' email from these guys (I just got ignored) and now they're using the drivers for themselves.

On the one hand I'm glad because others will have the support but on the other hand I kinda wish Schneider had kept the changes to themselves.


P.S. I would like to apologize to the moderators and those viewing this post... I realize this is not a software issue, however those users who often view the software forum are those who are most likely familiar with these issues.

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Old 05-23-2003, 06:29 PM   #2
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I'd like to keep this in the software forum if it's okay with rshaw.
Old 05-24-2003, 08:55 AM   #3
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> On the one hand I'm glad because others will have the support but on the other hand I kinda wish Schneider had kept the changes to themselves.

You got me confused here, [don't worry, it's knowned to happen ]
Wouldn't you want the GmbH guys to use your work to offer support in a future revision of the drivers?

AFAIK the best Schneider could do is *mirror* your patch, or do you think they actually wrote the drivers posted on their site?

The way I see it Schneider is only some developpers oriented e-business that mirrors driver files. They probably established a trustfull relationship with Ati [...Germany] over the years [...could date back to the ArtX days even] and Ati uses them for "controlled leaks" for the purpose of wider beta testing.

Btw, is your patch posted somewhere? I'd like to compare it with another that's been based on the kt400.
Maybe they could be merged to offer wider support ...???
Old 05-24-2003, 11:39 AM   #4
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patch isn't posted anywhere... and it is based on the KT400 AGP 3.0 setup routines. I know Schneider didn't write the drivers, and you could be right that they're not responsible for adding the XF 4.3 support but only 'leaking' ATI's next version...

The reason I'm having a bit of a conflict is (although its not always the best method) I typically run under the 'do unto others' type rule. ATI ignored me, offered no help, and now absorbs the help I made for myself and offered to others.

I'm sure its not the first time this has happened and others have been offended much more by other companies... just a little perturbed and had to share with the group.

Thanks for your input. I'm very interested to see how others feel about these types of situations. These types of things aren't what you normally read about in regards to OpenSource development.


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