aterm

boolim · 10-30-2003, 03:26 AM

hi, can i know how to make a borderless aterm? like without titlebar....
i wan to make a borderless, transparent aterm at the bottom of my screen that display the syslog... and i've seen some screenshot, which was nice...
but how can i do that? i hope someone could kindly show me the command that do all this....

thanks

hw-tph · 10-30-2003, 04:32 AM

First off I'd like to say check out xrootconsole. It does exactly what you're asking for.
As for the second - try man aterm.

Håkan

acid_kewpie · 10-30-2003, 06:30 AM

also i use root-tail to do that. no need to reinvent the wheel with aterm when it already exists.

evil_Tak · 10-30-2003, 10:33 AM

Eterm -g 800x600+0+0 --trans --borderless --no-scrollbar --no-menubar works. Adjust the -g argument as necessary.

boolim · 10-31-2003, 04:39 AM

erm, what's xrootconsole. i've searched the web and still failed to figure out what exactly is it? is it another term program, like aterm? i've searched it at freshmeat but found none.

evil_Tak, i know there's eterm but due to i'm running slackware, i can't run eterm.. do u know how to do the same tricks in aterm?

hw-tph · 10-31-2003, 05:27 AM

xrootconsole is a minimal console that doesn't accept input. It's only used for tailing logs on the desktops, like you can see here - http://www.dsv.su.se/~hakan-vi/img/s...n_20031008.jpg .
But as already pointed out, if you have a light console already, using xrootconsole is sort of over the top. Just create a transparent borderless terminal and run tail -f on the log of your choice.

Håkan

slakmagik · 10-31-2003, 05:37 AM

Yeah, I'm interested in the same question. I've got roottail around somewhere but I want a purely transparent aterm for general purposes. Seems to be app controlled, rather than wm, controlled - kinda odd, but that's how it looks, so it just may not have the capability to suppress flux's bordering of it. I'd already read the man page and turned up nothing and tried to invent a lot of Xdefaults crap but nothing worked.

I couldn't find anything googling for xrootconsole either - a dead link, but not much more.

You *can* run eterm on Slack - it's just a pain and probably unwise. Especially if you use ksh. *g* I did for awhile but had other issues with it and like aterm better, anyway, except for this one feature. Anyway - if anybody had a fix for this, I'd appreciate it, too.

lupin_the_3rd · 10-31-2003, 12:38 PM

Shouldn't your window manager be able to match an aterm window and place it without titlebars and borders... sawfish can do it... seems like others could as well... except maybe metacity but with devilspie you can probably achieve the same effect with metacity as well.

acid_kewpie · 10-31-2003, 12:57 PM

please, just give up with aterm, there's no point!

http://www.var.cx/root-tail/

evil_Tak · 10-31-2003, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boolim
evil_Tak, i know there's eterm but due to i'm running slackware, i can't run eterm.. do u know how to do the same tricks in aterm?

Umm, it doesn't matter that you're running Slackware. All you have to do is download and install it. Or install the package off your slack install cd(s).

slakmagik · 10-31-2003, 02:31 PM

I've got root-tail - but that's not a real xterm, right? I don't have it installed at the moment, but I tried it out and kept the source.

And it does have to do with Slackware - Eterm isn't on the Slack CDs because Patrick Volkerding dumped Enlightenment - it's got a stupidly named lib that conflicts with a ksh lib and other things like that.

It's no big deal - just eye-candy - I'm using aterm with the windows - just saying it would be cool to ditch them. I agree, lupin - seems like either aterm or flux could just dump the windowing, but I didn't see anything in the docs and my Xdefault guessing didn't work either.

slakmagik · 11-30-2003, 12:10 AM

Way late follow-up:

Apologies to acid_kewpie, and probably not news to most folks, but I checked out a CVS of the development fluxbox and put 'Mod4 Backspace :ToggleDecor' in ~/.fluxbox/keys and that key pair toggles the titlebar and borders on and off. Eterm still drew a 1-pixel border by default (though I guess it could be turned off) but, either way, this makes aterm completely transparent. So if that doesn't work on 0.1.14 (and I don't think it does) there's probably no way to do it, but it's easy in the 0.9.x versions.

There's several different versions of root-tail and some may be better than others but the one I had was limited, by nature of course, but also had issues with drawing - it sometimes wouldn't apear until an app had been dragged *over* it and then away. Probably an easy fix for that, but I just like having aterm this way.

ambelos · 02-11-2004, 10:48 PM

ok, so is this supposed to be automatic? or am i acctualy supposed to press something that to toggle decor? what i mean is, what is 'Mod4 Backspace'. backspace can be what ever key i choose, right? but the mod 4 part is the part i don't understand. thnx, jay

slakmagik · 02-12-2004, 12:37 AM

Mod4 means your 'windows', 'super', 'extra alt' whatever key - maybe just the left one, I can't remember. Backspace is literally the backspace key. (May be BackSpace.) It can be anything you want, though - just put it in your ~/.fluxbox/keys file. There's probably a menu option for it, but I liked having the keyboard shortcut.

mikshaw · 02-12-2004, 01:04 AM

I don't think there's any way to toggle decor except for either a hotkey, or specifying no decoration in .fluxbox/apps

As for the Mod4, i was playing around with .Xmodmap and got the 2 windows keys to behave as 2 separate modifier keys:

Code:

clear mod3
clear  mod4
keycode 115 = Super_L
keycode 116 = Super_R Multi_key
add    mod4 = Super_L
add    mod3 = Super_R

Now I've got more hotkeys than I have applications....still haven't gotten the Menu key to work properly, though....it toggles case in vim for some reason, and I don't care for that. I suppose it's probably just a matter of giving it a name other than "Menu"...

Eterm does still work on Slackware...it's just kind of annoying to get it properly installed. Aterm is definitely a simpler choice. And I use root-tail regularly...I get that weird disappearing thing you mentioned sometimes too, but it doesn't happen often.