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Old 01-09-2010, 09:13 PM   #1
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Are Browsers updated on lInux or just removed and or added?


I was able to get Firefox3.5.6 working on Mandriva which came with Firefox2 but I could use a few questions answered.
I downloaded the tar file from the Mozilla site and followed the directions. I un-tarred it and dragged the shell script onto the top panel or launch bar at the top of the desktop instead of finalizing it their way. The launcher application works fine for three but two starts up the Dom inspector every time it starts. Not a big deal because I don't want to disturb Ff2 anymore than needed right now. So my main questions are what is the proper way to add a browser that shares files on Linux and is it possible to add Ff3 to the Application/Internet helper file? Should you really only have one version of Firefox? Does Linux call their helper files helper files or is it something different? Thanks in advance.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 06:49 AM   #2
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We don't know yet what desktop you are using. Gnome? KDE? AnotherOne?
In general you can run as many versions of FF as you like to install. Various distributions provide you with regular updates. If a distribution provides you with FF2 then it is probably a pretty old one and youmight think of installing a more recent.

Unfortunately I don't know hat a helper file is. Is it an application that should handle a certain mime type of files/applications that FF finds? You can set that in "preferences/applications".

Hope this helps, cheers
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Old 01-10-2010, 01:46 PM   #3
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I'm using Mandriva 08 with Gnome. The helper file in the context as I'm using it is the menu that drops that asks what program you want to use to open a file. I was referring to the wrong thing so I will correct myself . The panel at the top of Gnome has (first), Applications then Places and system at the top left. If you click Applications it opens a menu of programs you can open. That's the one I was trying to refer to. When you add programs using urpmi it automatically adds the program icon to this list. I guess it is the icon menu and not a launcher that you can easily add to the panel.

I don't directly relate to the update your O.S thing. It goes against my own intuitive conventional wisdom which I don't doubt is in need of adjustment. Having two versions of an operating system a year seems crazy from the same developers. If you are selling it, it makes perfect sense. Being as the user has to have so much involvement and the kernel is so solid it is easy to assume that your O.S can stay on indefinitely. Isn't is faster and easier to add or modify software than to reload your O.S.? I'm not terrified of partitioning or doing a reinstall but I believe my time is better well spent doing something more necessary.

Why does Linux update on average twice a year when user involvement is so high overall?

I had Ff3 on XP and it was a complete joke. I'm a huge believer of Mozilla but I had to remove Ff3 and put Ff2 back on the proprietary system. I took the time to tell them that they should had never released it the way it was. I don't know why browsers crash so much but it would crash with only a few pages open. It was updated a few weeks later to the best of my recollection.With Ff2 Iv'e had as many as fifty pages open and eventually it will crash. I'm very enthused to report that Ff3.5.6 is obviously faster than Ff2 and it is comparable to Epiphany if all you want is a FAST text browser. Ff3 is still on trail as far as I'm concerned because I haven't had a load on it but it seems excellent at this point.


Thank you for the insight. I always dismissed the rapid updates with Linux because it is well misunderstood with the Legacy system. Most of the people I know think updates are useless or malicious but Iv'e gotten adware in a way that i'm convinced went through a buffer which made it impossible for my AV to detect it. Thanks again.
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Old 01-10-2010, 02:00 PM   #4
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My guess is that at present you have two versions of Firefox on your system.
The versions will be installed in different places. For the binaries, likely Mandriva's version is in /usr/bin, while the version you downloaded is probably in /usr/local/bin or perhaps somewhere in /opt
The configuration files may also be in different folders. ~/.mozilla, ~/.firefox, and ~/.mozilla-firefox are all possible locations.
Thus, to get Gnome/whatever to open stuff in Fx 3.5, set it to use the correct binary.
To get your Fx 2 configuration used by Fx 3.5, you may be able to copy parts of the configuration across. The process will be similar to if you were copying Fx configs from one computer to another. Make sure you make backups first, since it's the sort of thing easy to screw up, and I'm not even sure it will work at all. (If you accidentally copy the new blank config to the old install, instead of the other way around, then BAM! all your bookmarks and saved passwords gone!)
 
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My guess is that at present you have two versions of Firefox on your system.
The versions will be installed in different places. For the binaries, likely Mandriva's version is in /usr/bin, while the version you downloaded is probably in /usr/local/bin or perhaps somewhere in /opt
The configuration files may also be in different folders. ~/.mozilla, ~/.firefox, and ~/.mozilla-firefox are all possible locations.
Thus, to get Gnome/whatever to open stuff in Fx 3.5, set it to use the correct binary.
To get your Fx 2 configuration used by Fx 3.5, you may be able to copy parts of the configuration across. The process will be similar to if you were copying Fx configs from one computer to another. Make sure you make backups first, since it's the sort of thing easy to screw up, and I'm not even sure it will work at all. (If you accidentally copy the new blank config to the old install, instead of the other way around, then BAM! all your bookmarks and saved passwords gone!)

Thanks for the input. I don't presently have the expertise that has out grown my initial Mandriva installation. I know it's been updated a few times but my computer experience is not with O.S. I know some C, Assembly language and embedded systems (micro controllers) but I don't know that much about how programs work with a O.S. I'm going to try to put Opera on Mandriva because Ff3 has proven to be crash happy and I'm otherwise very content with Mandriva 08. If it's not designed to work on a fully updated version of XP either,I don't want to fool with it. I'll definitely use the information you gave me for where Linux puts opened tar files etc. with Opera. Thanks again.
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:10 AM   #6
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All distributions want to provide a system as recent as possible and most programms on linux run with a lot of shared libraries + dependencies. So if some new versions of a program need some new c-libraries these have to be updated and the depending programms probably as well. That's why development is in such fast motion. Competition and sharing of resources.
A lot of work I am quite greatful for.

I don't know mandriva. Ubuntu is giving me the choice between current versions and versions that will be maintained for about 2 years. I prefer the latter as I don't want to update the system twice a year neither.

Regarding FF I encountered difficulties with plugins that didn't work, i. e. flash plugin when I was running the most recent version of FF. I guess the binaries run rather smoothly but some plugins don't. But usually there is a solution to be found here or somewhere else on the web soon...
 
  


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