dovecot runs, but can't connect to 25 externally or locally, If I do a netstat -la, same thing, nothing listening on 25. It's really messed up.
root 1 0.2 0.0 1492 508 ? S 21:44 0:02 init [2]
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [keventd]
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN 21:44 0:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0]
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [kswapd]
root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [bdflush]
root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [kupdated]
root 99 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [kjournald]
root 241 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [kjournald]
root 242 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [kjournald]
root 243 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [kjournald]
root 359 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [knodemgrd_0]
root 496 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 21:44 0:00 [khubd]
daemon 1223 0.0 0.0 1608 448 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /sbin/portmap
root 1372 0.1 4.8 28280 25104 ? S 21:45 0:01 /usr/bin/perl -T -w /usr/sbin/spamd
root 1390 0.0 0.1 2244 804 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /sbin/syslogd
root 1393 0.0 0.2 2180 1252 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /sbin/klogd
bind 1401 0.0 0.5 11280 2860 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
bind 1403 0.0 0.5 11280 2860 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
bind 1404 0.0 0.5 11280 2860 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
bind 1405 0.0 0.5 11280 2860 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
bind 1406 0.0 0.5 11280 2860 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
root 1412 0.0 0.4 11184 2500 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 1413 0.0 0.4 11184 2500 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 1414 0.0 0.4 11184 2500 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 1415 0.0 0.4 11184 2500 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 1416 0.0 0.4 11184 2500 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 1430 0.0 0.1 2220 724 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
lp 1434 0.0 0.1 2452 872 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd -s
root 1448 0.0 0.3 5992 1960 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D
root 1450 0.0 0.5 8332 2672 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
root 1455 0.0 0.5 8332 2652 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
root 1457 0.0 0.2 3720 1548 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
root 1473 0.0 0.1 2368 928 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd
root 1478 0.0 0.1 1760 832 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
root 1483 0.0 4.8 28280 25104 ? S 21:45 0:00 spamd child
root 1484 0.0 4.8 28280 25104 ? S 21:45 0:00 spamd child
root 1485 0.0 4.8 28280 25104 ? S 21:45 0:00 spamd child
root 1486 0.0 4.8 28280 25104 ? S 21:45 0:00 spamd child
root 1487 0.0 4.8 28280 25104 ? S 21:45 0:00 spamd child
root 1493 0.0 1.5 16932 8036 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
root 1503 0.0 0.0 1484 476 tty1 Ss+ 21:45 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
root 1504 0.0 0.0 1484 476 tty2 Ss+ 21:45 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
root 1505 0.0 0.0 1484 476 tty3 Ss+ 21:45 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
root 1506 0.0 0.0 1484 476 tty4 Ss+ 21:45 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
root 1507 0.0 0.0 1484 476 tty5 Ss+ 21:45 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
root 1508 0.0 0.0 1484 476 tty6 Ss+ 21:45 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
www-data 1509 0.0 1.5 17064 8172 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
www-data 1510 0.0 1.5 17064 8168 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
www-data 1511 0.0 1.5 16932 8064 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
www-data 1512 0.0 1.5 16932 8064 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
www-data 1513 0.0 1.5 16932 8064 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
1007 1515 0.0 0.1 2028 944 ? S 21:45 0:00 imap
www-data 1516 0.0 1.5 16932 8064 ? S 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
1003 1519 0.0 0.1 2036 952 ? S 21:45 0:00 imap
1002 1522 0.0 0.1 2036 944 ? S 21:45 0:00 imap
1002 1525 0.0 0.2 2112 1100 ? S 21:45 0:00 imap
1006 1528 0.0 0.2 2052 1060 ? S 21:45 0:00 imap
root 1530 0.0 0.4 7176 2216 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 sshd: root@pts/0
root 1532 0.0 0.4 7176 2216 ? S 21:45 0:00 sshd: root@pts/0
root 1534 0.0 0.3 3064 1684 pts/0 Ss 21:45 0:00 -bash
1006 1540 0.0 0.1 2036 912 ? S 21:46 0:00 imap
1009 1543 0.0 0.1 2036 928 ? S 21:46 0:00 imap
1004 1544 0.0 0.1 2036 948 ? S 21:46 0:00 imap
1006 1558 0.0 0.1 2036 968 ? S 21:46 0:00 imap
1004 1560 0.0 0.2 2068 1056 ? S 21:47 0:00 imap
root 1644 0.0 0.2 2968 1040 ? Ss 22:00 0:00 dovecot
root 1645 0.0 0.2 5904 1508 ? S 22:00 0:00 dovecot-auth
dovecot 1646 0.5 0.2 2968 1436 ? S 22:00 0:00 imap-login
dovecot 1647 0.0 0.2 2968 1436 ? S 22:00 0:00 imap-login
dovecot 1648 0.5 0.2 2968 1436 ? S 22:00 0:00 imap-login
root 1649 0.0 0.1 2764 912 pts/0 R+ 22:00 0:00 ps aux
borg:~# netstat -la
Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State
tcp 0 0 *:18080 *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 *:807 *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 *:netbios-ssn *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 localhost.localdo:spamd *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 *:www *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 *:auth *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:domain *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 localhost.locald:domain *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 localhost.localdoma:953 *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 *:microsoft-ds *:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:32789 badger.lolerskates

op3 TIME_WAIT
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3709 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3706 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3707 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3704 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3705 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 272 192.168.1.10:ssh 192.168.1.20:3703 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3700 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3701 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3698 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3699 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:imap2 192.168.1.20:3696 ESTABLISHED
udp 0 0 *:32768 *:*
udp 0 0 *:32769 *:*
udp 0 0 192.168.1.10:netbios-ns *:*
udp 0 0 *:netbios-ns *:*
udp 0 0 192.168.1.1:netbios-dgm *:*
udp 0 0 *:netbios-dgm *:*
udp 0 0 localhost.localdoma:921 *:*
udp 0 0 *:801 *:*
udp 0 0 *:804 *:*
udp 0 0 192.168.1.10:domain *:*
udp 0 0 localhost.locald:domain *:*
udp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:*
Active UNIX domain sockets (servers and established)
Proto RefCnt Flags Type State I-Node Path
unix 18 [ ] DGRAM 1206 /dev/log
unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 1558 /dev/printer
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2866
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2855
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2149
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2147
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2143
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2094
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2082
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2073
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2064
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2055
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 1913
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 1643
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 1543
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 1320
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 1262
unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 1255
borg:~#
Just realized, dovecot only stays in memory for a bit then terminates, since later on it won't show up in ps aux anymore.