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Originally posted by monohouse from what I understand jed is not *just* an editor, it has extra features, which is probably for it's relations to emacs, and emacs is not what I have in mind, what I need is a text editor for X, why X ?, I think I can answer that........
it's because you don't have to deal much with typing filenames and paths, also it's because of the colors and with mp, it can be configured to work the way I want it to, on top of that with mp, the size of the editor has become very small almost as small as vim itself, in addition it's the ability to use the mouse in control of text and because sometimes I have to ask myself WTH im running X for ?
if you say jed is so good and there is an "xjed" too, can it beat mp with it's requirements ?
Well said, and congratulations on finding a nice text editor. I agree that jed is not for you. If you don't program, it's a waste of space.
With that said, you still might like to try out nano. No, it doesn't support mouse clicks, but it does have a built in file browser. Just hit tab twice(like bash completion). You navigate it with the keyboard instead of the mouse.
Even if you never use nano, it might be a good little thing to have installed, in case xwindows ever fails on you.
Firstly: As was asked before, why do you need the source so badly? Answer the questions of people. It's polite
I would recommend cooledit over NEdit. Python may be the larger (size wise) dependancy but would turn out much more useful and save you more space in the long run. You can do _many_ more things with Python than LessTif.
At the end of the day, you're really hindering the types of applications you can use if you don't install some form of GUI toolkit. You don't have to go all the way by installing KDE or Gnome, just installing GTK or Qt would mean you have a multitude of quality GUI applications at your fingers.
the source represents the reason for using linux, it's open source, and the source is the proof to that..........
other than that there is the obvious need for source code manipulation and architectural differences coverage during compilation blah blah blah.......but all this doesn't mean much to you if you're not a programmer........
well, mp does not require anything, and like I said before I don't need an IDE (at least not at the moment) I only need as small (=as fast) text editor as it may be possible under the X circumstances, and mp does just that, thank you jailbait !
if you haven't noticed I've answered all questions, and im as polite as it gets read the entire topic before posting.....?
one last thing to add to the need for compilation, I must have complete control over the programs I am running, and that may require removal of some things, I need to build a program the way I want it to be good for me, which is obviously not entirely possible with a binary release, even if the architecture matches........there are many other concerns, but I assume you are not a programmer so you probably don't know what source might mean otherwise you would not ask this (you will excuse me?) silly question......
if you really want to know what programming and software is about I suggest you should start by studying computer sciences in the university.
don't get me wrong dude, but I think you've alittle bit over-acted with flaming me about not answering to people, I guess I have the right to return the favour, other than that, the important thing is that now you know why, and that's all that actually matters, the rest is either nonsense or flaming, and both are 100% irrelevant to the subject at hand.
and the bottom line is, python is a library, and lesstif is a library TOO !
since I already have an editor which does all I need (including multiple files handling) WITHOUT additional libraries, that grants it the superiority over all the others that do need an additional library to do something I can already do without any libaries so.....im not getting into an argument about what library is better, you may be right, but there is no such thing as loading half a library not as far as I know .........so weight-wise, mp takes 1st prize with some room to spare (3 or 2.5 megabytes above any other, more than twice the size of one loaded instance of itself) and that's not only good enough for me, it just made my day.......... and I haven't the words to thank everyone for their help.
Originally posted by monohouse if you really want to know what programming and software is about I suggest you should start by studying computer sciences in the university.
I've been to the university. It sucks. I prefer to get a good book(or website) and teach myself.
other than that there is the obvious need for source code manipulation and architectural differences coverage during compilation blah blah blah.......
Then I take it you're competent with any programming language, as you have no preference as to what this editor is written in...
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but all this doesn't mean much to you if you're not a programmer........
It doesn't mean much, and I am.
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I need to build a program the way I want it to be good for me, which is obviously not entirely possible with a binary release, even if the architecture matches........there are many other concerns, but I assume you are not a programmer so you probably don't know what source might mean otherwise you would not ask this (you will excuse me?) silly question......
Don't you dare insult my intelligence.
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if you really want to know what programming and software is about I suggest you should start by studying computer sciences in the university.
Thanks, i'll bear that in mind...
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don't get me wrong dude, but I think you've alittle bit over-acted with flaming me about not answering to people, I guess I have the right to return the favour ...
It was not a flame, just a suggestion. This is not a flame either. May I redirect you to dictionary.reference.com.
This is not a flame or anything, but are you serious when you say this?
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Originally posted by monohouse :O really ? why ? you study by yourself better than anyone else can teach you ?
I hope you're not serious. If someone has the right material and WANTS to learn something, they can teach it to themselves 1000 times better than anyone else. Besides that, most professors waste a lot of time going over basics for those that don't care about learning, and the rest of the time they spend talking about their personal lives.
Hmmm, let me weigh it out:
"Spend $1,000's and get a mediocre(and usually boring) education"
-OR-
"Spend $50-$100, get a great book and learn what I want to learn(and usually have fun)"
It's a tough decision.
PS.
Currently I've taught myself Basic, Html, Java, Bash scripting, and a little assembly, PHP, and C++. I'm now teaching myself Python.
monohouse, you're turning this thread into flaimbait. I don't know if that was your intention, but you certainly don't seem to want to let up. You've got over 100 posts under your belt, so I assume that you already know that LQ is not a place to insult people, but rather to help. Most have tried to help here. The appropriate answer would be "thank you".
For those who are responding to this bait, please consider letting it slide, as the thread does actually contain some valid info up to this point. Don't taint it, as lots of people may read it and get some use out of your helpful comments.
And, I apologize for not answering about xjed. It does have one dependancy, jed. I am still curious as to why an x-based editor is so crucial, if resource use is a concern. If all one wants is basic text editing, one could forgoe a text editor all together and use the "echo" command in their favorite shell.
Originally posted by vectordrake monohouse, you're turning this thread into flaimbait.
I don't know about you guys, but compared to JL.com(where I have been a loong time member), this whole forum seems quite a bit more flame bait-ish. It appears to be the norm here. Not that I mind, because I like to get down in a good flame once in a while. heheh. Other times(like now), I just try share knowledge and get understanding. Hopefully someone gets something positive out of it all.
Hey monohouse, I thought this might interest you. Darn Small Linux has just replaced minimum profit with beaver. I downloaded beaver, and it's very gedit-ish. (very cool imho)
ok duude thanks
nedit requires motif or lesstif
I whantt without anything, if anything then at most only gtk+1.2.10
beaver looks good I think I will try it when my LFS building is complete
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