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12-09-2010, 01:06 PM
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IBM Clearcase / Clearquest Admins
I'm being tasked at work to get two dedicated servers on RHEL 5.5 (IBM doesn't support RHEL 6) for Clearcase and Clearquest. We're doing a 7.1.2 install on the Linux servers but my problem is that the developers are performing the installation them selves on the servers and they're telling me that the software requires a GUI to perform the install which I feel is a complete waste for my servers. I can't believe that any production server of this nature running in an enterprise environment would require a server to have X, Gnome, & Firefox installed.
Anyone here ever have any experience with Clearcase / Clearquest 7.1.2 on Linux?
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12-09-2010, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by carlosinfl
I'm being tasked at work to get two dedicated servers on RHEL 5.5 (IBM doesn't support RHEL 6) for Clearcase and Clearquest. We're doing a 7.1.2 install on the Linux servers but my problem is that the developers are performing the installation them selves on the servers and they're telling me that the software requires a GUI to perform the install which I feel is a complete waste for my servers. I can't believe that any production server of this nature running in an enterprise environment would require a server to have X, Gnome, & Firefox installed.
Anyone here ever have any experience with Clearcase / Clearquest 7.1.2 on Linux?
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I call BS. Everything I've read/seen about Clearcase says the installation takes place via CLI. Now the application itself seems to need a web browser to run, but you don't need it on the server, anymore than you need Firefox on a dedicated web server, alongside Apache.
Now, there may be a GUI based installer that is easier to use...but from the docs I've seen on IBM's website, none of them mention X.
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12-09-2010, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TB0ne
I call BS. Now, there may be a GUI based installer that is easier to use...but from the docs I've seen on IBM's website, none of them mention X.
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How would one use the GUI based installer without having X installed on the server? I have a extremely minimal install of RHEL 5.5 x86_64 so there's no applications pertaining to 'X' at all. How can one utilize the GUI installer in this scenario of that's what the developers request to do?
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12-09-2010, 01:34 PM
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In my experience when software developers do installations they will lie about the requirements just to make their life easier.
Having said that I will also say that it will do no harm to have X installed on your server. You can boot the server into runlevel 3 so that X isn't running locally. People can ssh to the machine and run GUI software or they can log on to the console and run 'startx' manually. Naturally you will also need a window manager.
Last edited by stress_junkie; 12-09-2010 at 01:35 PM.
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12-09-2010, 01:39 PM
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Hi -
I agree with the above two posts:
a) your developers and/or the so-called "requirements" are probably full of crap: you can probably work from a command line without problem
b) there's not necessarily any HARM in installing X (and then returning happy to runlevel 3 once you no longer need a GUI)
... BUT ...
Why don't you just call the ClearCase / ClearQuest support lines and ask them?
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12-09-2010, 01:40 PM
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I absolutely don't want to install X and or a Window Manager. All my RHEL 4 servers have identical packages (give or take 15) but they're all CLI only and I don't want to have to deal with supporting stuff that belongs on a workstation or desktop for their sake.
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12-09-2010, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by carlosinfl
I absolutely don't want to install X and or a Window Manager. All my RHEL 4 servers have identical packages (give or take 15) but they're all CLI only and I don't want to have to deal with supporting stuff that belongs on a workstation or desktop for their sake.
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This is less of a technical issue and more of an office politics issue. Pick your battles carefully.
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12-09-2010, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stress_junkie
This is less of a technical issue and more of an office politics issue. Pick your battles carefully.
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Words of wisdom.
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05-20-2011, 05:01 AM
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You don't need to use the GUI for the install. There is a perfectly good CLI for it. And the posts about developers above are just rhetoric. From a developers point of view, the same can be said about sys admins - and I am both.
Last edited by scobiej; 05-20-2011 at 05:06 AM.
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