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Old 05-30-2019, 06:50 AM   #31
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I use a combination of firefox and chromium with the best privacy settings possible applied to both, script blocking via uMatrix.
 
Old 05-30-2019, 09:13 AM   #32
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Cliqz is a new privacy-minded web browser. The browser is a fork of FF - so it's free and open-source.
It also has its own built-in private search engine.

The Cliqz browser seems to be hardened against tracking from third-party websites. Also it says it doesn't pass on the users IP-address to third-parties unlike other browsers (I don't know if this includes FF).

Selling private user information to tracking companies is how a business makes money and stays alive.
This youtube vid Cliqz - designing a different ecosystem shows how Cliqz browser anonymises users but is still able to draw in advertising revenue.

There isn't an official linux version of Cliqz (cliqz.com).
That just doesn't make sense.
 
Old 05-31-2019, 03:59 AM   #33
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+1 for uMatrix (see my blog)!

I also had another, related lightbulb thought:
Often application developers "outsource" much of their work by writing their programs to run on web browsers (or electron), piling more weight onto browser engine developers' shoulders.
 
Old 05-31-2019, 08:09 AM   #34
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Cliqz is a new privacy-minded web browser. The browser is a fork of FF - so it's free and open-source.
I'm always skeptical of these browser forks making grand claims and offering security and/or privacy as an out of the box "feature" which requires no knowledge, work, configuration or thinking on the part of the user... this one in particular is developed by a for profit company. They bought ghostery a few years back and open sourced it, but are notable as a company who's business model seems to be based around combining data mining and privacy...
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"Bringing together targeting and privacy, we are currently testing a technology which allows companies and brands to show you relevant offers directly in the browser."
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Often application developers "outsource" much of their work by writing their programs to run on web browsers (or electron), piling more weight onto browser engine developers' shoulders.
Yes, the point is that web browsers have long since evolved well beyond an application which was solely for rendering html pages.
 
Old 05-31-2019, 11:57 AM   #35
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Cliqz is a new privacy-minded web browser.
all i see is Ghostery (I haven't forgotten the scandal, and they can claim to be all better now all they want, I don't believe it) - and Burda Medien. Money, Money, Money.
Privacy as a buzzword to trap more users to get more data.
Just like Google. Some of that's also OpenSource.
 
Old 05-31-2019, 12:07 PM   #36
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Security and privacy are up to the user. No browser, not even Tor, can prevent you from getting knee-deep in the brown stuff if you don't follow proper precautions. Any browser which claims to market itself as a "secure browser" is either trying to capitalize off of industry buzzwords, referring to the process and care with which it was coded -- the most sensible answer, albeit still unlikely to prevent a user with his heart set on getting in trouble from doing so -- or outright lying.

Every time I hear the words "secure browser", I snicker on the inside and have an impulse to ask its developers for the date and details of their last EAL classification.
 
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I use a combination of firefox and chromium with the best privacy settings possible applied to both, script blocking via uMatrix.
uMatrix is the same as uBlock Origin except it's 'designed for advanced users' (Wikipedia).
I don't think there's a meaningful difference between the two - and uBlock Origin has far more users.
 
Old 06-01-2019, 03:32 PM   #38
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+1 for uMatrix (see my blog)!

I also had another, related lightbulb thought:
Often application developers "outsource" much of their work by writing their programs to run on web browsers (or electron), piling more weight onto browser engine developers' shoulders.
On a smartphone, people easily download programs from an app store like google or apple.

A desktop should be just as convenient.
On a desktop computer, why would you want to make an app where people download it onto their hard-drive from an unknown 3rd-party website?
It is better if your app is simply an add-on to someone's trusted web browser.
 
Old 06-01-2019, 03:34 PM   #39
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Eh isn't that how most linux distros work? You download your stuff from trusted and signed repositories
 
Old 06-01-2019, 04:07 PM   #40
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I'm always skeptical of these browser forks making grand claims and offering security and/or privacy as an out of the box "feature" which requires no knowledge, work, configuration or thinking on the part of the user... this one in particular is developed by a for profit company. They bought ghostery a few years back and open sourced it, but are notable as a company who's business model seems to be based around combining data mining and privacy...
Software companies need to eat. Just like you.

The internet is a market. You make money from it.
You don't exist just because you have pretty thoughts - like free privacy and anonymity.

Today, the internet means we have to pay for privacy and anonymity (e.g. VPN).
And then you need to make sure you pay the right people.
 
Old 06-01-2019, 04:11 PM   #41
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all i see is Ghostery (I haven't forgotten the scandal, and they can claim to be all better now all they want, I don't believe it) - and Burda Medien. Money, Money, Money.
Privacy as a buzzword to trap more users to get more data.
Just like Google. Some of that's also OpenSource.
What is the Ghostery scandal?
What is Burda Medien?

Please tell us more - so we may learn.

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Old 06-01-2019, 04:21 PM   #42
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Security and privacy are up to the user.
Do you see how brainwashed we are?

Security and privacy should be guaranteed by your country (i.e. your own laws).
 
Old 06-01-2019, 04:26 PM   #43
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What is the Ghostery scandal?
What is Burda Medien?

Please teach us more - so we may learn.
Search engines are a few keystrokes away...the info is out there.
 
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:34 AM   #44
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Do you see how brainwashed we are?

Security and privacy should be guaranteed by your country (i.e. your own laws).
If you call that "brainwashing", I'd hate to think what you don't call "brainwashing" ...

Why should "your country" guarantee your security and privacy ? What you're suggesting is likely to do the exact opposite. What makes you think the government is even interested in "guaranteeing" your security and privacy ? In a lot of countries they would like to take your privacy away, if anything. Why would you trust a third party to take care of your security and privacy ? That's just insane. What world do you live in ?
 
Old 06-02-2019, 01:41 AM   #45
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feeding the troll... oh well, why not, i'm bored.

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What is the Ghostery scandal?
What is Burda Medien?
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5...e-ad-industry/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Burda_Media

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uMatrix is the same as uBlock Origin except it's 'designed for advanced users' (Wikipedia).
please do not misquote wikipedia.
nowhere in that whole article does it say that those are the same - and rightly so, they aren't.
uMatrix gives the user much more control over what they block and what they let through.
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I don't think there's a meaningful difference between the two - and uBlock Origin has far more users.
And judging from your thoughtless loud-mouthing so far I don't think you'll ever be able to appreciate uMatrix and its superior powers. :shrugs:
 
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