Here is how it goes.

http://i.imgur.com/8jEgf2O.jpg

My wife is trying to get her Windows 7 laptop updated to Windows 10.
Microsoft says no no no no no no no no no no no.

Why you may ask?
Because her Dell E4310 I5, 8 gig ram, 500 GIG 7200 RPM sata Windows 7 operating system has Enterprise in it's title.
If it was a pirated version of Home or Professional. No problemo.

Pisses her off it does. To the point she is going to give me the Dell and buy her self a Mac that is lighter and more powerful and just better than.

I support Windows. It gives me free gear. Just like the City Hall servers that run my Linux Media centers in my motorcycle shop.

So thank you Microsoft for being what you are. I get free computers that I can run Linux and Open Source software which I also support and use daily.

All this hate and vitroil is not needed. Usually insecure folks spit venom and hate. Me? I am a happy camper.
Keep it up Microsoft. You are making my day.

I just showed proof that aint so.

The wiring inside peoples brains either allow them to understand computers or they do not.

I might as well post that, using Google Chrome at least, I can now use Amazon Prime Video and Music on Linux. OK, so it's still using Google but, still, it allowed me to ditch my Fire TV Stick and associated switching and means I now struggle to think of anything I want day-to-day that I can't get under Linux.
There's still the problem of certain organisations needing some kind of PDF but I've a feeling that the situation may change -- well, we can hope.

That is kinda funny. Since I was the biggest kid in school. A Jock. Computer Illiterate. Not a Geek or Nerd.
Outlaw Biker. Tattoos.

But a comfy linux installer, beta tester, BSD user, GED diploma, Distro Team member, who has no interest for paying for anything that has anything to do with electronics if he can help it.

It makes me wonder how some of these college educated folks can be so dumb?

I explicitly asked for this thread back on topic and more members to refrain from personal attacks moving forward. This is a final warning. If you have any questions, please contact me directly.

--jeremy

Except that I wrote that about Windows 7. It was all about Windows 7. So if anything, you proved how much Windows 10 sucks.
Botched installs of Windows 10 need to be publicized and those users need to get vocal about their experience with Windows 10. I have no mercy for Windows 10 either.
My tech news feed gets inundated with Windows 10 stories. None of those being from hell. And I am sure there are plenty of people that went to get Windows 10, and ruined their current setup. It looks and sounds familiar, right? It's called Linux desktop experience.

My update screenshot is Windows 7? 10 is not going on that screenshot. That is my DRM Bike Tuner Laptop that requires http://www.mastertune.net/harleydavidson.htm

So my bad for not mentioning it. Blame lazy posting. I have thick skin. I can take it.

That software is way too expensive for Windows 10 to wipe it out or bork it.
Only Windows 10 talk was about my wifes Laptop. Not my biker tuner laptop.

Posted from a Linux Netbook. Cuz my Windows stays offline.

PS. I love Linux and Open Source. I tolerate Windows.

So, I read every post here and some had some valid points and some are just plain angry one way or the other. I think I can relate to most in one way or the other.

Here is my take and I was thinking about this last night as I lay in bed after 10 hours of trying out different Linux Distro's.

How did I get to this point where I need a Linux Distro. I've been here before.

The reason I'm here is because I need a operating system that is not hooked to M$ and the NSA, M5, FBI, CIA, ect. ect. I can see the writing on the wall when it comes to my privacy from the above stated especially with the overt policy of (NO PRIVACY) Windows 10.

My real problem is Trust. I don't trust M$, Google, or MUC and who they work for, as far as I can throw them.
By their fruits you shall know them.

But I started on Windows 98 and grew to XP. That's a lot of years to get comfy with a operating system that stayed relatively the same in appearance and use. But in the later XP years I began to grow very weary of M$ and their supposed security updates. And it became crystal clear to me Who M$ serves when the whole Anti Trust lawsuit just vaporized into thin air and then shortly after that Vista was quickly put out on the scene and with it some very untrustworthy and unstable ways. I knew then that my M$ days were going to be over.

But, just like in the Matrix when Neo nostalgically said, ("Oh, I used to eat noodles there, they have good noodles")
There is a comfort that is hard to give up. Familiarities and comforts that we got used to. And for the next few years I tried out several different Linux Distro's because I knew deep down that I really needed to get out of the M$ matrix.

It started out slow. I had noticed in the past that certain updates would really slow down my machine. So I quit updating after SP3. That seemed to clear things up quite a bit (but not a real solution). Then I switched to Firefox and Thunderbird and other open source software trying to ease my way out. And then I tried taking the plunge to a Full Linux operating system.

And to give you a understanding about how much a shock that was? You just need to go and watch Neo be ejected out of the System. It's like being born again. It's cold, hard and mysterious and all you knew suddenly means Jack.

Don't get me wrong, Linux has soooo much to offer just like (the real) in the matix. But nothing is familiar at all. And there's even a new code to learn. Neo to Cypher (you always look at it in code like this)? And of course Cypher's answer was (Well you have to. The image translators work for the construct program. But there's way too much information to decode the Matrix. You get used to it. I...I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, red-head. Hey, you uh... want a drink)?

So after several attempts at taking the dive I ended up like Cypher, I wanted back in the Matrix. Though I did not forget what I had learned I just was not ready. I needed those noodles and I needed them bad.

But if your true to yourself, once you have awaken from your slumber there's no going back to your old ways. So for the next several years I have been living in M$ matrix knowing that my days are short. I will either have to get put back to sleep or I need to get out. The answer is clear but doing it is not.

So here I am again, Trying several different Distro's to find one that will fit me the best. One I can work with. The biggest challenge is some hardware. Thankfully for the most part I seem to be on the upside of this battle so far. But I still have Linux Mint 17.2 and Slackware 14.1 to try. Sound card has been the biggest problem so far and I really like my sound card.

You see from times past I know that my printer will not print the same, thought it will print. I know that I'm going to have to give up some of the (good noodles) programs that just don't work with Linux. I am going to have to learn how to live in (the real). But sometimes learning Linux is like eating, well, like the first bowl of yummy in the matrix, (Tank: Here you go, buddy. Breakfast of champions. Mouse: If you close your eyes it almost feels like you're eating runny eggs. Apoc: Yeah, or a bowl of snot).

Though I know in the end that this is my path and it's going to be good for me. (Dozer: It's a single cell protein combined with synthetic aminos, vitamins, and minerals. Everything the body needs.

Sometimes your thinking in the back of your mind. (Mouse: It doesn't have everything the body needs).

Now if you have been in Linux for a long time or were (born) into it like (Dozer) I can see why you look at us M$ users like we are brain dead Matrix people.

But if you could see it from our view (and it's very real to us at the time) then it would make better sense.

To be fair the initial question should have been put into two. Because Open source software is like a bridge for us and is much easier to learn. And I love Open source for this. Pale Moon Browser is one of them.

But Linux Operating systems are still like taking a dive into the Matrix for the first time. You have the (real). But if it's hard for a computer geek like me in the M$ world then I can't even imagine what it's like for those that are simply bumping around in the M$ matrix.

Oh, wait, Yes I can.

Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around. What do you see? Business people, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.

Were you listening to me, Neo, or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?

Ahh, you got me!

So to answer the question, or questions.

Open source has everything to love. Why? Because it met us in our world and worked in our world but showed us that there is so much more than our world.

Linux Operating systems on the other hand is much harder.

It is a big step into the (real). There really are too many choices. Linux operating systems are like people, no two are alike. I will give great credit where credit is due and say thank you to the folks in Linux Mint, Ubuntu, and to others I have not had a chance to use yet for all the work you have put in to make it easier for us newbies.

But I now understand now more about the fight to make Linux work in the real world than before. It seems you have enemies, and it makes it hard to make a great operating system when the gate keepers (hardware manufacturers and big players) don't play fair. I understand this and it makes it easier to be patient. But others do not. Thus the anger. I've been there before too.

I have been a computer tech in the M$ world for many years. I have worked with a lot of different people. One thing I have learned is that they simply don't have the capacity to understand most of what I try to teach them. For most, it is way above their heads. They simply want to use Google, Facebook, I.E. the Matrix and as long as it works they are happy. This above all else, I think is the biggest reason Linux operating systems are still having trouble being loved.

If getting Linux operating systems into the hands of the public is a main goal for the Linux community then they will have to understand this and bridge the gap like they did with open source software.

They will have to make it easier. For most people live in a Matrix, Wall-e world and as long as there are those who are willing to give it to them then were in for a fight.

For the most part I find that most folks just don't care about the things I do and it leaves no motivation.

No motivation, No action.

Handy

Yawn...

That obvious huh? Well you asked.

Just another reason why Everyone doesn't love Linux.....

As long as you treat outsiders as lesser people, then you have already lost.

But it's obvious you don't care anyway.

You people act like you were born with a Linux disk hanging out your ass when you were born.

I'm sure you were writing your own code when your were two.

I never understood the appeal of open source or linux stuff till 3-4 years ago. I always knew linux was the place to be in the server world but not at home. Once I discovered how it had done on desktop I was hooked. I don't game so graphics are kind of irrelevant for me, open source drivers do just fine. For my purposes I have zero reason to go to Windows outside of business. I keep a Windows 10 virtual box machine available with Quickbooks. I don't understand how people can't love the open source world. It is better in every way I find. I agree with what some have said, the community is hit or miss. Some places they are decent helpful people, others it's immediately RTFM... at which point the person says "back to windows I go".

For me the hardest part of making the switch was the community.

From my experience in learning closed source OS (MS-DOS, Windows 3.1/98/NT/XP, Mac OS X) at work and Linux at home, the main thing holding Linux acceptance back appears to be Linux (and other open source OS) having a subcritical mass in organisations. If there are a lot of users in a small area, asking someone is a lot easier than trying to guess the best phrases for a web search, and face to face communication has a larger handholding component than most people realise. And total newbies need handholding even if they have a strong desire to learn.

Which is a way of saying that Linux (et al) won't become popular until it becomes more popular.

I am not going to bother reading the entire thread before posting. In fact, I would be willing to bet it is filled with the same arguments and claims posted ad nauseum on Linux fora. It begins with a quote from a typical clueless fanboy. Questions like: Why doesn't everyone like open source?; Why has Linux not taken over the desktop market?; What can be done to attract more Windows users/converts?; simply show the posters' ignorance combined with evangelical zeal. A little reading sprinkled with a dash of common sense would answer such questions before they are asked. Not many people would go into a boutique ice cream parlour, try orange and liquorish ice cream, decide they like, then wonder why everyone else does not eat it and go on a quest to convert the heathens. Yet such people abound in the Linux world.

Actually Cynwulf I have installed chipset drivers, and such in Windows systems, and no I have never had a hiccup that did not involve a hardware fault.

Why is it that people like you act butt hurt when someone says they are having trouble setting up a system? you come off with (I'm paraphrasing) "I suppose you never had that kind of trouble in winders" WTF? we want answers not smart alec remarks.

This is probably the 2 main reasons ppl don't wanna mess with Linux.. Video drivers, and getting rude comments when looking for help.
If there is no simple answer, just say it. THERE IS NO SIMPLE ANSWER!
No need to beat someone over the head and be rude just because the person has spent their life on one os and having to use another is a huge learning curve for them.