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Old 04-22-2005, 11:33 AM   #46
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Oh man, this forum is excellent!! I find everything here.

Now back to Nero. Someone wrote here that k3b is great, it is. But Nero is much easier. And as an interesting comparison, XPDF is cool too, but the acrobat 7.0 is great and i am about to put it on my linux box. Let's hope they keep coming out with more stuff for Linux.
 
Old 07-10-2005, 12:08 PM   #47
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i will comment on some technical advantage that has nerolinux relative to k3b and that seems to be unnoticed by most reviews, and is that k3b won't work if there is no enough space in the hd to create the ISO filesystem, while nerolinux seems to pipe the filesystem directly from the session editor into the burning API. Im not sure if this can be done with the cdrecord-genre of burners, but i would be happy to be shown wrong
 
Old 01-24-2006, 11:16 AM   #48
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Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but, I have a comment on why I love Nero:

I burn needle-drops of vinyl albums, and i can put in side one and two as waves, and look at the files visually to mark where the tracks are within the program, and it will split up the two sides into the tracks I've made. K3B still doesn't do that, and I only know the wavsplitter program that will do that.

I now have two run two seperate programs to do what I could have in Nero, plus there is all the writing back and forth on the hd, space, etc. Nero takes the original and does it.

I have also narrowed a stereo mix to mono in Nero quickly when I was making our wedding music cds... all things you can do with other programs, but it was built right in to Nero.

I am still considering running my nero with wine, make iso's, and then just burn those. Too many things going on for that at the moment....
 
Old 02-01-2006, 01:52 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by snecklifter
The sad thing is, whenever I boot into Windows, there isnt a piece of software on there that I've paid cash for. I'm a criminal because of that. When I boot into linux there isnt a single piece of software I've paid cash for and its all totally legal. I dont know what that says but it makes me wonder if the moment apps like Nero start to appear for linux, everyone will abandon the free software projects and just go warez. Thoughts on a postcard to the usual address....
Interesting. This is the complete opposite for me. When I boot into MS it's a system that I didn't pay for. Someone else I work for did. When I boot into Linux it's a system I paid for. I've paid more for Linux than I was ever willing to pay for MS. Go Figure.
 
Old 02-04-2006, 07:56 AM   #50
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Opensource has become a slogan that has annoyed me now, which is epitomized in you. I use software, I like good software. If it is bad software I won't use it. License is irrelevant. Half you [edited] who rants about open-source never even have looked at the source code of these programs let alone understand a quarter of it.

Its the quality of the stuff, screw what license it comes under. For some things windows is much better than linux, for others linux is better. For each application and circumstance I see which is better and use it under the appropriate one. To say one sucks and only use the other is simply shooting yourself in the foot. I understand if you don't have the financial capabilities to pay for it, fine, but even then you shouldn't rant and shout out "SUPPORT OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE!!!".
If I would insult you I would a)probably be kicked out of the LQ Site and b)confirm your presumptions.

Who would be the stupid one then? Me! Having said that I should go on with my post and not offend you (promise I'll try )

You say it's the quality of the software that interests you. Fine with me, but have you ever thought that the fact that a certain application is open source can have a big impact on quality. It's true that 90% of the users dont's know what source code is, not to mention looking at it. Still there is the 10% that downloads the source code and maybe decide to change a thing or two to make the app better. And who can better improve the app than it's users who know what they want. No open source means less user interference.

I dare you. Try to develop an application and never accept user proposals. Let's see how long you last on the market.

You say you understand some people don't have the financial capabilities to buy software. Why would I pay 1 cent for an application if I can get a better one for free and If I'm satisfied with it I will certainly shout out loud "SUPPORT OPEN SOURCE". It saved me 1 cent. Why would I be selfish and hide that app from the public.

O and here's a thing you would like Get Firefox!

Regarding Nero.
Never used any linux CD-burning software, but having nero for Linux is a good step forward. Companies have seen value in linux. And aside from that nero is hell a easy to use

Last edited by wykthorr; 02-04-2006 at 08:04 AM.
 
Old 04-27-2006, 08:58 AM   #51
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why is it so difficult to accept window programs?

We all cry for window applications to be ported to linux...
when companies like Ahead listen to us and port their softwares to linux, we also cry that we have better ones in linux...

What do we really want???
There are more than 20 cd-burning software for linux that do the same exact thing as k3b,X-CDRoast, they might not be as good, but we never say: "Why anyone would bother with X-CDRoast when a much superior product, K3b, does it faster, better"

If microsoft were to release MSN Messenger for linux today, we would also cry that Amsn is superior and better, why do we need MSN Messenger? While we are crying that microsoft has ported its application to mac and not linux.

We want window software to be ported to linux, but when they are ported we get mad....The problem is simple, it's because we live in denial, we always assume that a linux software is better than a window based software and we are afraid of window based software dominating linux....


Please leave software out of the OS war...
 
Old 04-27-2006, 09:04 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by haitian-hacker

Please leave software out of the OS war...


Anyway, were Nero4Linux a superior app to k3b I might consider a purchase. The main issue people have is the cost of the license on linux vs. the cost on windows and the bang you get for your buck. Is there anything Nero4Linux does that k3b doesn't? Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps if the app created authored DVD's with the same functionality that the Windows version does I'd be up for the cost. I'm still not convinced.

Regards
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Old 04-27-2006, 11:54 AM   #53
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why is it so difficult to accept window programs?

We all cry for window applications to be ported to linux...
when companies like Ahead listen to us and port their softwares to linux, we also cry that we have better ones in linux...

What do we really want???
There are more than 20 cd-burning software for linux that do the same exact thing as k3b,X-CDRoast, they might not be as good, but we never say: "Why anyone would bother with X-CDRoast when a much superior product, K3b, does it faster, better"

If microsoft were to release MSN Messenger for linux today, we would also cry that Amsn is superior and better, why do we need MSN Messenger? While we are crying that microsoft has ported its application to mac and not linux.

We want window software to be ported to linux, but when they are ported we get mad....The problem is simple, it's because we live in denial, we always assume that a linux software is better than a window based software and we are afraid of window based software dominating linux....


Please leave software out of the OS war...
Why do we cry when software companies port apps to linux?

Firstly I think that linux users that want windows apps ported to linux are different than those that cry when software companies actually release linux versions of their apps.

Still why do we cry when windows apps are ported to linux? I think the answer is cost. Most of the linux apps are free (and open source, but that's no advantage for probably 90% of the users). Companies writing software for windows got used to charging for software and when they port the software to linux they expect users to pay. The problem with the linux users is that they are used to getting stuff for free.

The newbies(or people that don't enjoy tinkering with software) though might want to buy commercial apps because of their increased stability and support. With the risk of being stoned to death by open source enthusiasts (I'm also an open source enthusiast but I can't not see the problems with community apps) I can only think of very few open source applications that just work (these are MySQL, Apache and a few others that I can't think of now).

A lot of linux apps just close while you are working invoking an access violation error. You can't expect a standard user to use software that might cost him a lot of time.
 
Old 04-27-2006, 01:44 PM   #54
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wykthorr, you are right on that, there are two groups of users,newbees and experienced users and they have different motives for crying...

I can understand newbees who are crying because they want window apps ported to linux, maybe because they are used to certain apps, maybe they want easier installations, phone support, and maybe they are looking for reliable apps...if they are willing to invest in a sofware, then let it be!!

But what makes me mad is when experienced linux users are crying for ported window apps, and when they are ported they start to bash them..It's true cost plays an important role in it but I think the major problem is that linux users are too self-centered, living in denial...They automatically associate all window apps with microsoft.

Few good examples:

1)when aol released its "AIM" for linux it was bashed, and people complained that linux has gaim

2)when musicmatch released it's jukebox for linux, it was free, but if you wanted to ripped/burn cd, it cost $20.00, people bashed it and said xmms was better

3)Ahead released NeroLinux,free for those who already owns a window copy, and a charge of $20 for those without window license, you already have a group who is complain that K3B is better

I think we fail to see the reality, we should be happy that companies like Ahead acknowleged us and are willing to port their sofwares for linux.

Personally, I would not go and purchase NeroLinux because the main reason I switched to linux was because I was tired of buying softwares, I was tired of asking my friends for copy of their operating systems and apps, I wanted the flexibility of the open source apps that you can modify to your taste if you have the time...But if someone wants to spend the money, there is nothing wrong.

Linux has very powerfull apps, like K3b, XMMS, etc...But one has to see the reality, Ahead and other companies releasing their apps are not forcing anyone to buy their apps nor discouraging the open source community....Fot those who like open source and free app, K3b is there, and for those who are impatient to read and figure things out, NeroLinux is available...

That is the beauty of Linux!!

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Old 04-27-2006, 02:04 PM   #55
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Alright, I downloaded and installed neroLinux on my Kubuntu 5.10. It got installed without any problems, no dependency problems. It's good.

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Old 04-28-2006, 06:43 AM   #56
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haitian-hacker I could not agree more with you.
 
Old 05-03-2006, 10:40 PM   #57
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I have my system set up to boot my choice of DOS 6.22, Windows 2000Pro, or Fedora Core 5. If I want to burn a cd, I use Windows. If I want to play games, I use whichever OS the game i want to play runs on, since I have yet to get Wine to run my Windows games. For most other things, I use FCL. If Wine ever gets to where it can run all of my windows software, I'd seriously consider abandoning Windows altogether. I love Linux for many reasons. It's much more stable, updates are more frequent and much easier to download and install (thanks to yum ) and you seldom have to restart Linux after updating or installing. You can usually just do it on the fly and continue about your bizz with no further interruption. And above all, it's FREE! Let's see Bill Gates of Borg top that !
 
Old 05-08-2006, 04:21 PM   #58
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I swear some of the interface from the screenshots look soo much like Toaster.

Too bad they don't support Slackware.

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Old 05-09-2006, 07:06 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by corbis_demon


.....Actually, I use a CAD-CAM machine to plot machine designs, with dedicated programs hardwired in the machine ( I'm an aerospace engineer) . And that, runs on a dedicated OS, not Linux, not Windows. Also 3d rendering, non-linear video editing and autoimated adaptive progressive rendering stuff I do on a Silicon Graphics machine.
All GNU tools work best from the command line.And these are the most important pieces of code on your system.So yeah, I don't trust them in the hands of a GUI. For sysadmin purposes, you gotta use the console.

Oh, and I'm such a hopeless moron that I can't understand why you need GUI for apps. Perhaps you didn't care to read my later posts. The linux system is based on text files. Why do you so jump out of your pants and wax eloquent about GUI's and MS Windows?
My dad was a design engineer for many years, and when he started out back in 19-ought-2, his software was all on SG machines. Later, it began to show up on the windows platform, around the time NT 4.0 came out, or shortly thereafter. At one point in time, he had a Unix machine and a Windows one for his work. The last 10 years or so though, all of his softare for CAD/CAM was on Windows, the latest version operating on 2000 as well as XP. Try doing a bit of research befora you claim something isn't out there or can't be found.

As for your augument about the cammand line, I agree that some things are better suited there. But if you want to woprk on a complex project, GUI is the best way to go. You have far less you have to remember, it's much quicker, and it's harder to foul up. For that mater, there a lot of things you just can't do from a cammand line. Well, I suppose you could create images and the like from cammand line, but I'm not abbout to try to program pixils by hand lol. And that's just one example. To be honest, I don't even know why we are all aguing over this. It's like one of those "Wallmart" topics - You see it, you start a post to say just one or two things, and wind up spending a long time ranting. Just like you go into a Wallmart for one or two items, and wind up buying loads of stuff (se why I called it a "Wallmart" topic?) Anyways, I've put my $1.95 in (use to be $0.02, but taxes and inflation are a bitch), and now I'm gonna read some other posts, and cuddle my cats.




-Merry met, merry part, and may we merry meet again.
 
Old 05-18-2006, 01:35 PM   #60
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support open-source !

PLEASE : support open-source softwares **FIRST**.

Supporting is : using the soft, reporting bugs, helping developpers, writing documentation and tutorials, improving the code, giving money etc.

If you find bugs in k3b or cdrecord, please report those bugs and they will be corrected.

If you find k3b not nice or not easy to use, then write your ideas that to the developpers.

I recommend k3b or cdrecord etc. for burning cds, dvds etc.


If really no open-source soft exists for what you want, then you may use a proprietary. But only in that case.

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