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Old 03-22-2005, 12:23 PM   #31
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Originally posted by ben_build#2.1.0
Why would adobe need to create something like adobe acrobat reader professional for linux? You can already create pdf files using OpenOffice.org. Would OO.org then have to pay royalties (or something similar) to adobe? Since there already is at least 3 linux programs that read and edit pdf files, I don't see why we need an adobe acrobat version.
because it's not the same thing... you are fooling yourself if you think that the functionality provided by free software projects is the same as what adobe's propietary solutions provide...

i think it would be great if in the future you could get adobe pro or studio and stuff like that for linux, it would be a sign that the linux desktop has finally stopped being a little blip on the IT radar, and the mothership has landed...


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Old 03-22-2005, 12:24 PM   #32
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Well I've found that both gv and KDE's PDF viewers do not handle alpha blending well (read: at all) with embedded PNG files, and OOo does not create complex PDF files correctly when using alpha blending - I thought at first that Linux was vastly superior to Windows when it comes to PDF support only to discover that Adobe's apps still reign supreme - which is to be expected since it's their "standard"
 
Old 03-22-2005, 12:51 PM   #33
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Linux stopped being a blip on the IT radar a long time ago win32sux. Its still a blip on the desktop radar however. Dont worry, Adobe recently advertised for linux developer positions. The blip is growing.....
 
Old 03-22-2005, 01:08 PM   #34
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Linux stopped being a blip on the IT radar a long time ago win32sux. Its still a blip on the desktop radar however.
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i think it would be great if in the future you could get adobe pro or studio and stuff like that for linux, it would be a sign that the linux desktop has finally stopped being a little blip on the IT radar, and the mothership has landed...

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Old 03-23-2005, 05:10 AM   #35
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quote:Originally posted by bornhj
Absolutely. I don't understand why people so insist on pretty multicolored interfaces for their apps. Does it add to the productivity, perhaps? They are just front-ends to the same old command-line tools, like cdrtools, growisofs and dvd-rw tools. TkDVD is a pretty good option for those so in love with point-and-click features.

Oh my god, try designing a DVD menu from the command line.
No, not just a simple 3x3 table. Check out any commercial DVD and look at the menu.

Now, design the images from the command line.
Arrange them in your menu from the command line. Be sure to get the gradient just right, and the graduated alpha blending where desired. From the command line.

Six months from now you'll still be trying to tweak your images to get them just right, and I'll have completed the DVD menu months earlier using either Photoshop or The Gimp and Nero (unfortunately, probably Nero on Windows) or Ulead DVD Workshop.

The same can be said for CAD, 3D rendering, nonlinear video editing, web development, web BROWSING (I suppose you prefer Lynx, right? Do you use Lynx to browse this site? Hey mods, please post bornhj "I hate GUI"'s user agent for all to mock^H^H^H^Hadmire the Mozilla or Firefox or possibly even MSIE user agent!), and so forth. Yeah, you can edit html using vi, pico, ed, etc. but isn't Quanta Plus so much nicer, and doesn't it save you s(bleep)loads of time?

There is a value to command line: that is, mainly automation of routine tasks and scheduling via crond, macros (more automation but generally tied to a button), nightly builds (yes, more automation!), and the like. Need to get actual work done - quickly? That is what the GUI is for. Not all tasks are sysadmin-oriented.
Kim: Not my post :P Quit poking fun at me because I like Firefox. And I'm sure DVD authoring at a CLI is hard. I can only imagine.

I love my GUI and can't live without it, but I'm not scared of the command line if I have to use it.

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Old 03-23-2005, 08:55 AM   #36
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Well, it is foolhardy to create pdf's using Open Office (foolhardy coz u throw a lot of options outta the window). It's always wise to create pdf's from tex files.(Nothing better than Texmacs for journal reports) Graphics are easy to handle with the figure environment.
Of course, Adobe's software would produce better creations. But, I dunno, even pdf's formatted using Arobat seem to lack in the graphics department. Maybe it's just me,I guess.
 
Old 03-23-2005, 10:43 AM   #37
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Originally posted by ben_build#2.1.0
1. There already is a macromedia flash player for linux

2. Why would adobe need to create something like adobe acrobat reader professional for linux? You can already create pdf files using OpenOffice.org. Would OO.org then have to pay royalties (or something similar) to adobe? Since there already is at least 3 linux programs that read and edit pdf files, I don't see why we need an adobe acrobat version.
I didn't say there wasn't any Macromedia or Adobe product for linux. Macromedia has the flash player and Adobe the Acrobat Reader. But both have a lot more products than these two or any few others they might offer. To my knowledge none of the following have linux versions: Premiere, Photoshop, Acrobat Pro, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, ColdFusion (or the complete MM Studio MX). That's a lot more products than the mere "viewers" they offer.

Besides, OpenOffice.org is great, but Acrobat Pro is better. It lets you print to PDF, while OO.org just creates PDF's out of its documents. I have also noticed that OO.org PDF's are noticeably bigger than Acrobat's, with the same quality.

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Well, it is foolhardy to create pdf's using Open Office (foolhardy coz u throw a lot of options outta the window). It's always wise to create pdf's from tex files.(Nothing better than Texmacs for journal reports) Graphics are easy to handle with the figure environment.
Of course, Adobe's software would produce better creations. But, I dunno, even pdf's formatted using Arobat seem to lack in the graphics department. Maybe it's just me,I guess.
But what about creating a PDF from something already in another format? I am not only thinking in my documents. Suppose you have a really big and highly formatted M$ Word document you want to store or distribute in PDF format. How would you do? Will you rewrite it completely? Guess not.
 
Old 03-23-2005, 11:48 AM   #38
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if all of you are planning to develop a NERO make sure it is OPEN SOURCE or else no one will use it!!!!!!!! sorry guys!!!!!!! but open source is a free software!!!!!!!
 
Old 03-23-2005, 11:55 AM   #39
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if all of you are planning to develop a NERO make sure it is OPEN SOURCE or else no one will use it!!!!!!!! sorry guys!!!!!!! but open source is a free software!!!!!!!
actually, "open source software" is not synonymous with "FREE software"...

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While free software by any other name would give you the same freedom, it makes a big difference which name we use: different words convey different ideas.

In 1998, some of the people in the free software community began using the term ``open source software'' instead of ``free software'' to describe what they do. The term ``open source'' quickly became associated with a different approach, a different philosophy, different values, and even a different criterion for which licenses are acceptable. The Free Software movement and the Open Source movement are today separate movements with different views and goals, although we can and do work together on some practical projects.

The fundamental difference between the two movements is in their values, their ways of looking at the world. For the Open Source movement, the issue of whether software should be open source is a practical question, not an ethical one. As one person put it, ``Open source is a development methodology; free software is a social movement.'' For the Open Source movement, non-free software is a suboptimal solution. For the Free Software movement, non-free software is a social problem and free software is the solution.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-s...r-freedom.html


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Old 03-26-2005, 06:07 AM   #40
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i have it it really sux it's ugly and optionless use k3b before it anyday!
 
Old 03-26-2005, 03:30 PM   #41
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I see some problems here. First of all, as mentioned, NeroLINUX seem to require that you already have Nero 6.0. Also, you guys talks about how K3B does the job and that you don't need Nero.

But what about us guys who does not have Windows and no Nero, and that does not use KDE? I don't like that when I like a program I need to have Windows, or when it is a Linux program I need to have KDE. Please remove that "you need to have". :P
 
Old 03-26-2005, 11:55 PM   #42
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k3b works in any X environment, no? if not, that's weird, because most KDE apps i have will work in any environment i try it in. i know i use gnome apps in kde and kde apps in gnome with no issues.

you should be able to use K3B if you use X. Or at least I think, I can't test it as I am not at my house and this machine is doze...
 
Old 03-27-2005, 02:21 AM   #43
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k3b works in any X environment, no? if not, that's weird, because most KDE apps i have will work in any environment i try it in. i know i use gnome apps in kde and kde apps in gnome with no issues.

you should be able to use K3B if you use X. Or at least I think, I can't test it as I am not at my house and this machine is doze...
Of course I can make it work, but that requires that I install all the KDE libraries. There is a reason why I don't use KDE, one of them is that I don't like to spend my harddrive on KDE. I would like to see that more programs are written more for Linux and less for KDE/Gnome. Because I like that you can choose how your Linux system should be set up, and I choose not to install KDE.
 
Old 03-27-2005, 07:24 AM   #44
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ok, that makes sense. even so, unless you are really hurting for disk space, i like to have different desktop managers installed just for testing purposes. it's pretty helpful for troubleshooting if nothing else.
 
Old 03-28-2005, 10:33 AM   #45
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I, too, have multiple DE installed. My primary DE is Xfce4, but I also have Gnome and KDE installed. All my apps run fine under Xfce4.

I do wish things were written more for GNU/Linux + X, and not for Gnome/KDE. Although both are great projects and their respective teams have done some amazing work, it does kind of go against the philosophy of choice and a modular O/S. It would be nice if there were a standard GUI library that all DE worked off of. But that's just the nature of the GNU/Linux beast.

Personally, I prefer working in XFCE4 because its light, but still looks good. Everything seems to run faster under XFCE4. Plus, it tries to stick to the Free Desktop standards. It also uses XML for its config files, so they are easy to edit by hand if you want to. I think everything should use XML for config files and save files. XML fits with the GNU/Linux philosophy perfectly. While GNU/Linux is a set of open standards and tools to build an OS, XML is a open standard for building file formats. There is a great article about it the first issue of Free Software Magazine. I suggest giving it a read.

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