More on Microsoft and Linux partnerships
 

Here: http://www.crn.com/software/199900856

Xandros and Microsoft now in bed. Sad-sad-sad. :(

What about the dates? All deals done after March 28 are not workable under GPLv3 final draft. There must be something that I am not seeing. But it all looks pretty clear. Unless this deal *was* done before March 28 and just announced now.


Regards
Brotherred

Xandros has a small but very dedicated anti-microsoft community. They've just lost it, and now they are screwed. They deserve it.

Would all the Linux zealots please stop whining that Microsoft is finally trying to play nice with Linux for a change?

And you actually believe they are planning on playing nice? Now everyone that will not be signing these agreements are doomed to be sued. There's no counter argument in court because you could have just signed a agreement right?

Microsoft is a company. Companys are only there to make money. Microsoft will, and has done everything in the past to, crush _any_ competition. These agreements are the way to do so.

Please get a better perspective on reallity before making such a foolish statement.

I hope you're right. M$ has already screwed itself with the Novell deal. It'd be nice to see them continue screwing themselves with the deals they sign under their own false pretenses.

(IOW I firmly believe there are no patent infringements, UNLESS M$ is the guilty party, and this wouldn't be the first time, by far!)

Cheers

Exactly. For starters, APPLE created "Windows for DOS" in a 'joint venture' with Microsoft. Once it was completed, Microsoft backed out of the 'deal' and used their patent portfolio to "legally" steal the code.

Most recently, Microsoft lost a lawsuit over stolen code in their Office products and had to issue critical updates to remove it June(?) 2006; Vista's release had to be changed AT LEAST twice over patent infringements and embedded stolen code in 2006 alone; And in 2007 they lost a mega-buck lawsuit over their patent infringements with MP3. And there have been TONS of similar instances in between. Nobody in their right mind could possibly believe Microsoft is playing 'nice' now, especially when considering their most recent (and unfounded) patent infringement lawsuit threats against Linux users!

Cheers

That is the first time some one has directly replied to the issue posted in twenty five or more posts in who knows how many threads on four or five independent forums.

It is the point of license after all. It is not just that I might be wrong but no one as even broached the subject other than me in all my posting until now.

Show me once where it says that.

If your definition of reality is one that hangs on an anti-Microsoft bias, I'm not one to judge since I don't like what they've done in the past either. That being said, I'm also not the one making foolish statements here.

You either want MS to play well with Linux products or you don't. There is no middle road, and you can't play the role of being satisfied with nothing. In business, you take the opportunities that arise, and then build off of them.

If you think about ways Microsoft can kill Linux, then it is this. Ofcourse they don't put that into those agreements because nobody would sign them then and it damages Microsofts reputation (a bit further). Looking at ways they have crushed some competition in the past by sueing companies until their money was drained shows they are far from afraid to do it.

In the real world companys are there for themselves, not for you. Only if it makes them money they _are_ there for you. Microsoft has a monopoly and therefor doesn't care a thing about you and me. Hence why they even sell Vista the way it is now. In this case my definition of reality is the polar oposite of a huge company willing to help out it's own competition.

Yeah, thats what you want. But it is not up to you to decide that.

And once Microsoft did that, in obscure ways, they gained a monopoly and now tries to lock in customers and fsck them over with DRM to let you rent all your software in the future draining your wallet like they're god. And draining wallets _is_ the art of good business.

'nuff said

That answers nothing.

That is of course your opinion. I disagree.

Looks like Linspire also joined Microsoft. Wanna bet on who's next?

I support vincent

This is the full text of a reply that I just received from the FSF concerning Xandros and MS. Full text minus email addresses.



{{[gnu.org #336634] Inbox



hide details 2:01 pm (1 hour ago)

date Jun 19, 2007 2:01 PM
subject [gnu.org #336634]
mailed-by gnu.org

Hello,

Please accept our apologies for the delay in getting back to you. We
rely on volunteer effort and often have difficulties keeping up.

I can't give you a precise answer because I don't have the details of
the Xandros-MS deal, and GPLv3 is not out yet.

But generally speaking, yes, GPLv3 would stop Xandros from distributing
GPLv3 software under a patent-discrimination agreement.

--
I am not a lawyer, the above is not legal advice

Regards, Yoni Rabkin}}


I am really having my own little party over here!

BOOYA! I told you so. LOL