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Old 11-02-2006, 08:40 PM   #1
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Microsoft and Novell SuseLinux deal

I read this today any ideas as to it's validity

If it is true what outcome do you see in the future?

Windows Vista with SuseLinux running in a virtual Machine is most likely Microsofts aim?

How scary would the Microsoft OS after Vista being based on FreeBSD like MAC or True Linux
Old 11-02-2006, 08:45 PM   #2
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Once you let the camel get his nose under the tent...
Old 11-02-2006, 10:42 PM   #4
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I freaked out at the Oracle deal. What am I supposed to do now?
Old 11-02-2006, 11:46 PM   #5
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I am not new to linux. I favor Linux over XP, though I use XP more often.

Now here are my two cents. This "merger" of sorts with Novel and Microsoft is a great move on Novels side. If a company like Microsoft can "validate" linux as an operating system can only be good for Linux in general and especially Novel..... But.

In the past Microsoft has only done what they needed to to get what they wanted. They have stolen things from others and forced themselves onto computers, even though they where and are the inferior OS. Now it was stated the Microsoft would only do business with Novel/Suse Linux, no one else. I wonder if this is an attempt to push others like Red Hat, Sun, Mandrake, etc, right out of the picture completely. And in the end Microsoft will have 1 major Linux competitor to deal with. And as far as Microsoft being trusted to stick to their end of the deal, well I have my concerns about that actually happening, but who knows.

Now on the side of Novel. I think they made an excellent move when the took over Suse. I am a fan of Suse linux and I hope for the sake of Suse and Linux that this will give more exposure to to Linux and reap some future benefits for Novel/Suse. Who knows, maybe now even more companies will decide that Linux IS a good thing and make more and more software for it. Before this merger that was already happening more then it was 5 years ago. So maybe this is the turning point for it to really speed up.

So over all what do I think? I am not sure. My head still aches from reading this article, (for the first time a half an hour ago.) I am surprised to say the least. At first, when I read the headlines, I wasn't sure if I was asleep and having one of those weird dreams again or not.

Old 11-03-2006, 12:50 AM   #6
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I think it is microsofts wormhole into the linux apple. I think it is time for a suse cd burning party. I think it is novell selling out, not only themselves but linux in general.I think it is novell thinking it is going to be rich now that MS has invited it to the bedchamber. I think it is the second attempt by MS to makepeople believe they "own" linx and expect people to pay them for it,SCO being the first. I think that I think too much and I think my brain hurts...
Old 11-03-2006, 01:06 AM   #7
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(1) I've always expected MS to eventually release their own branded Linux.
(2) Since the Novell buyout of Suse, they have been the most likely candidate to accept DRM in order to pierce the mass-market desktop arena.

Looks like a couple of blind pigs may have found an acorn.

(3) Sure am glad I use Debian
Old 11-03-2006, 03:23 AM   #8
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I really don't like it...
Too often co-working with M$ leads good companies and good software to death.
Old 11-03-2006, 08:35 AM   #9
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I have been using Suse for years and prefer it. I was worried by Novel but that turned out to be unfounded; or did it? I don't trust M$ for beans and with good cause. This truly looks ominous for anyone who believes in open source and Free software for the world to communicate with. DRM, big corps and money for everything that we have taken for granted looks to be the future. ARRRRRGH!
Old 11-03-2006, 08:36 AM   #10
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can someone please explain to me how MS can sue developers that aren't under Novell's payroll or freely contributing to openSUSE?

i'm really not a legal expert, so i don't see how, say, MS can sue GIMP developers since they really didn't steal any bit of code from MS, and they licensed it under the GPL.

since when did Novell own the patents to any GPL'd code? as i understand it, the codes aren't owned by anyone.
Old 11-03-2006, 10:49 AM   #11
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This whole issue has been created by the over staffed, over sized microsoft to run interference to the uneducated end users both consumer and corporate. That intent is to grey the area between Windows and Linux to the users that don’t know any better(and there is lots of them). {hmmm the latest version of windows has lotz of issues, requirements and licensing restrictions I have heard but I guess that it’s the only choice seeing as though Microsoft just bought into the only viable alternative Linux.}

Money, money, microsoft making money on there new product (vista) another microsoft blunder product once again is generating a lot of doubt among the educated few in the technology realm. Microsoft is doing this out of no ones interest but their own and especially because of impending vista release.

As for SCO and their case death is all over them both, all but the epitaph, thats accourding to most leading industry analysts. And lets not forget that Microsoft bought a big chuck of their stock before that case started. What rights will they acquire from SCO once their dead?


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Old 11-03-2006, 11:55 AM   #12
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Microsoft by its nature is not very innovative. Microsoft generally takes ideas from others and markets it for a larger profits.

I think that personal computers have technologically reached a peak of sorts. There are not many more things that you can do to make them better. Processor speed, RAM, Hard Drives and other hardware are approaching a point that more would be less. My desktop is 4 years old and is just as good as many new desktops sold today. I only had to upgrade the RAM and the Hard Drive. With this in mind, many consumers are doing the same; keeping their older computers rather than buying new ones.

Microsoft can not count on putting their OS on new computers and maintain the same growth. There just simply are not enough new hardware innovations to cause people to buy new PCs. If people want upgrades, they add Hard Drives, Ram and change OSes. Microsoft became stagnant with XP, nothing new everything overpriced. XP was a combination of Windows 2000 and Windows 98. Vista promisses the same thing (Windows 2000 and 98) with a new wrapper and a higher price. They can not maintain because they do not invent, they are not creative.

.NET was at first invisioned to provide a platform that all programmers would develop under (pigeon holing developers and removing knowledge), an interpreted language that will allow Microsoft to control the base code! It was hoped by Microsoft that MONO would catch on faster under Linux than it has (Mono proved to be slow and buggy).

Microsoft also lost the arguement that the Open Document format was theirs. SCO is dead. Mac is virtuilizing MS. In a deal to change Lindow's name to Linspire, Linspire got access and immunity to Microsoft patents; now they are releasing Freespire. Symantec, MacAfee, and the European Union are crying foul concerning the failure of Microsoft to co-operate with 3rd party security providers (killing Microsoft's plans to push security themselves). Mozilla Firefox is gaining in popularity and offering addons FREE where as addons for IE7 cost money. Xbox is still selling at a loss. Linux is getting easier to use and is gaining in popularity. Mac being Unix based and more secure along with HP selling computers with Linux. All this sounds like bad news for Microsoft.

Since Microsoft employees are not very creative and people are tired of the liscense fees, they need to change their model of doing business.

I am not sure how Microsoft will steal Linux's and Open Source, but they will. The original MSDos was stolen, Windows was stolen, Internet Explorer was stolen, MSN messenger was stolen. Linux and Open source are next, they are the new ideas that will keep Microsoft from being crushed by their own weight. I hope that it is too late for Microsoft. Novell should have minded their own business and allowed Microsoft to die!

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Old 11-03-2006, 12:57 PM   #13
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Sorry to ruin the pessimissum...

Ok delighted to ruin the pessimisum, but unlike all those examples we have the GPL! DOS, IE, MSN, they all had owners someone who could be brought or robbed, Linux and open source dosn't. How many people, some dead, would have to sell up to turn over the kernal to microsoft?

And if they did everyone has the source code, forks can be made. M$ has no way of crushing Open Source
Old 11-03-2006, 04:43 PM   #14
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Look, I hate M$ and don't trust 'em any more than you guys. But this whole doom and gloom, 'Novell selling out to the Devil', the end of Suse thing is a bit extream.

A. I think it's a move that will help Novells position in the market.
B. It' a sign that M$ realizes it can't get away with downplaying Linux anymore.

You've got european cities dropping WinDoz even on the desktop. You've got the state of Illinois putting linux on all the school systems and OpenDoc taking off. OpenSuse does everything and more that Vista does and Vista won't be out til sometime next year. I think M$ is hoping this minimizes more loss of the desktop as they can't grab the servers.

Everyone thought Novell was gonna screw-up Suse when they purchased it but they made it better and made good ground with it. And they still have an outstanding lawsuit over Wordperfect. And - No- Novell does'nt own Linux. M$ just says those who use Novell/Suse will not be gone after in any "POSSIBLE" lawsuit that M$ has been threatening for years.

I'm gonna hold of from 'the sky is falling' attitude until the smoke clears and someone points out 'Real' dangers.
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OK so Everyone at LQ knows more about computers than this weathered old man. What can I possibly say here? The years have taught me about humanity; the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly!!

The movement of Oracle and Microsoft into the Linux community is Not for the benefit of the community; it is for the ongoing greed of Oracle and Microsoft, Period.

Believe anything; or hope anything that you want to, that is everyone's individual choice. These large companies are not going to be changing who they are or the way that they do business just because the Open-Source community happens to function the way that it now does.

What once was at Linux is going to be altered, perhaps forever. You can surely bet on it!!


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