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Old 06-22-2006, 05:42 AM   #1
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Martin "Linux Get The Facts" Taylor, leaves MS abrubtly.


Though, I won't go into detail, for I may get something incorrect and be burned for it(took a chance with the title since I had to). The title gives the hint that something is taking a turn for the good of penguin kind. Though, that is my opinion, you make your own after reading the following(or others): http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/...gtype=samechan

ENJOY!
 
Old 06-22-2006, 08:34 AM   #2
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yup I saw the new yesterday on The Inquirer

what a mess
 
Old 06-22-2006, 10:58 AM   #3
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This sort of thing would be a very, very good thing for Microsoft. No offense to the man himself, but MS needs to wake up and smell the roses. Perhaps someone inside (or perhaps someone on the Board of Directors) is finally pushing the company in that direction.

Let's face it: Linux is here, to stay, period.

And: There are, and there are always going to be, a lot more devices that don't run Windows than do. And for those types of devices that do, there's both Linux and OS/X... and if buyers don't know Linux, they probably heard about OS/X on a (i)PodCast.

The company's erstwhile "monopoly," if it ever actually existed, is technologically gone on both a hardware and a software front. So... it's time for Microsoft to stop pretending that things really are the way they publicly say that they are, and to adopt a new strategy. Time to mend some fences, time to make peace with the other segments of the I. S. industry that it spent so much time carelessly alienating. Time to eat some crow. (Amazing things can happen when you say, "I was wrong and I know it now.")

Maybe it's time to start thinking about conserving money, too...

There is absolutely no reason why Microsoft cannot step forward from this point, except just one: if they refuse to admit that a course-change is necessary, they'll be on just as sure of a "road to Perdition" as the one that Wang went down when it refused to admit that a locked-down monopoly on dedicated word-processing machines was just not worth a hill o' manure anymore. Or Polaroid. Or Kodak. When push comes to shove, Mister Market Doesn't Care.

Microsoft has both a poor and an excellent reputation: generally the reputation earned by the products themselves is excellent and remains so. Their bad reputation (which they've never bothered to fix) is that they're led by a bunch of self-serving, arrogant prigs who spend all their time preaching to their customers and no time listening. That problem can be fixed with a gold watch. As a company, they once succeeded in developing an operating-system and an Office Suite par excellence at a time when no one else really did... but that's no longer what the market demands today. What goes around comes around. Just as Bill Gates and Paul Allen wrote for themselves what the industry couldn't get around to doing, so did Linus Torvalds and a couple-thousand of his best friends.

It is also high time that Microsoft realizes that, in spite of such dumb-ass laws as the Digital Mellinium Copyright Act (DMCA), and the loud-mouthed blow-hard posturing of groups like the RIAA ... those groups are wrong. Microsoft had better quietly back away from the "Digital Rights Management (DRM)" hornet's-nest and give up forever on the strategy, somewhat-concealed in "dot-Net," of "your computer is something that you rent." It ain't gonna happen. (And music ain't gonna be stuffed back into an $18.00 plastic box sitting on a store shelf, either. My iPod is not a jukebox: I don't have to put a quarter in, and I won't.) Get your head out of the sand and don't wait until you read the truth in some industry rag.

If Microsoft's Board can elect a Chairman, a CEO, and a new top management team that can adroitly maneuver the company in the new direction it needs to go, it can emerge from this stage stronger and wiser, and the Market will welcome that.

Maybe they should hire Lou Gertsner as a consultant ... Seriously.

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Old 06-22-2006, 11:40 AM   #4
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From the wording, it looks more like a personality conflict with some boss rather than a change in Microsoft policy (such as changing their mind due to criticism by Lawrence Lessig). After all, if Microsoft is willing and able to thumb their nose at the US Government (as they did during and after the monopoly trial), I doubt that Microsoft is going to change their corporate behavior as a result of any force outside of Microsoft.
 
Old 06-23-2006, 08:51 PM   #5
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I agree with Cogar, this seems more like the guy is leaving because his role changed and/or he had some serious disagreement with a higher-up. Does this mean that MSFT's "Get the Facts" *cough* *cough* advertising campaign will suddenly stop? I doubt it... they'll just move someone else into this newly vacant position
 
Old 06-23-2006, 10:14 PM   #6
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You can never tell, of course, and "politics are politics" sometimes no matter how high-up you are in any organization ... but hope does spring eternal because Microsoft badly needs to make this mental-shift.

They are, imho, exactly where IBM found itself .. not just once but several times in its corporate past. They are at a point where the fundamental nature of their marketplace is changing, and the marketplace wants and even needs for Microsoft to change with them. The company made some rather foolish posturings .. against Linux, and in favor of DRM and the RIAA .. which they're going to need to [be smart enough to] back away from. But it's going to take some extraordinary corporate leadership to get that done. There are probably a lot of internal walls and barriers set up, where people have convinced themselves that their careers depend upon .. basically .. not losing face. It happens: we're all people.

You know, when the Internet was "this grand new thing" (and of course it very much still is...) people continued to look upon it in the context of "business as usual." People knew, in some cerebral sense, that it was going to change everything, but they made plans .. we made plans .. somehow as though it would not. Or, as though we could somehow control the nature of those changes. And Microsoft, at least in terms of its public-relations, definitely fell into that. No surprise really. It's really difficult to concieve that Linux may be the very best thing that ever happened to you as a company!

And I don't think that Mister Market really intends to punish them; really intends to hold them to what they said "back then." Mister Market simply wants, and demands, change. Microsoft is perfectly capable of this, and needs to get on with it. There are no dollars to be made by being "the odd man out."

And I could say the very same thing to the record companies, if they would only listen, but I don't think they are quite ready yet.

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Old 07-07-2006, 12:55 PM   #7
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Microsoft has both a poor and an excellent reputation: generally the reputation earned by the products themselves is excellent and remains so.
I seriously doubt Microsoft made any of its own stuff.
 
Old 07-30-2006, 09:43 AM   #8
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GOOD!!!!!!! i am glad, i hated those stupid adds.
they were all b.s.
if you factored EVERYTHING in instead of just a few things linux is a much better choice and value!!
(just my $0.02 )
 
Old 07-30-2006, 04:00 PM   #9
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I seriously doubt Microsoft made any of its own stuff.
You have never looked at Visual Studio, have you. . . when it comes to development environments there is nothing that can approach the functionality and quality of Microsoft's development tools. Nothing.


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You might mention SoftICE or IDA Pro, but I'm referring specifically to complete IDEs and not pure debug environments. IMHO No IDE out there can match Visual Studio. In the Linux world, I'd say Zend Studio comes the closest, but it's (obviously) designed primarily for PHP. KDevelop is "getting there" and the roadmap and stated goals of the KDE team are promising, but right now their promises are vaporware and in comparison to Dev Studio KDevelop is weak, and Anjuta even more so.

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Old 07-30-2006, 09:55 PM   #10
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You have never looked at Visual Studio, have you. . . when it comes to development environments there is nothing that can approach the functionality and quality of Microsoft's development tools. Nothing.
Interesting.

I despise that environment. I hate it. I abhor it. I have no choice but to work with it for certain things, and I curse it every minute.

Give me a command line. Give me an editor that I can position where I choose, and how I choose. Give me a debugger that I can invoke from the command line as a separate tool.

Give me an environment where I can spread development tools onto different desktops and toggle from desktop to desktop as it suits me.

Spare me an environment that tells me I'm making an error when I try to write a subroutine in the middle of another subroutine. I don't intend to leave it that way; just a convenient way to pick up a block of code that I am moving to a subfunction; don't get in my way and try to stop me from doing it.

Object browsers are nice, but stop trying to type ahead and stop irritating me with dropdowns that show me what object I might be trying to type out; you are blocking my view of the next line down. Don't give me balloons, popups, and drop-downs until and unless I ask for them.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned because I have been programming for over 30 years. But that Windows IDE is just plain in the way. It wants to help me; I don't want it to help me. Leave me the F* alone; I'll tell you what I want you to do; stop trying to tell me what you think I want to do.
 
Old 07-30-2006, 10:05 PM   #11
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You know, you can turn those features off, and you're completely disregarding the fact that Visual Studio is vastly superior to any Linux imitator in every conceivable way.
 
Old 07-31-2006, 09:06 AM   #12
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<quote>there is nothing that can approach the functionality and quality of Microsoft's development tools.</quote>

Functionality, maybe. Quality? -- forget it! Quality doesn't mean a boatload of neat features. It deals with the lack of defects. I work with VS every day and it ain't even close to advertised quality. When you start getting errors when there aren't any, and they go away when you restart VS, there is definitely something wrong. It happens almost every day to me or one of the other 3 guys on my team. Sometimes it crashes the system. Or it doesn't support something it's supposed to. The advertising media used to say that you could pass class objects to webservices in .Net. Read the forums about that and you see lot's of angry folks complaining about passing objects containing collections (not supported). The answer is that .Net is supposed to be a portable system. When I am developing a closed application with MS technology on both ends, why can't they support it. J2EE can.

On the subject of functionality, Netbeans does things that I have yet to figure out how to do in VS. For example, if I want to enclose a block of code in a try-catch block, VB and C# just catch a generic exception. Netbeans is smart enough to analyse the code you are enclosing, and creates a catch for each possible exception.

That being said, I agree that VS probably has the fullest set of features of any IDE. It still doesn't have enough to be what I would call a programmer's utopia. As far as quality goes, it still has a long ways to go.
 
  


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