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Old 02-08-2005, 11:44 PM   #16
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[B]Well...... Once Linux becomes user-friendly

Linux is already very user friendly. What it is NOT is that it is not idiot-proof. This explains why the bulk of windoze users are idiots. I just had a conversation with one such idiot who chided me for installing Debian on a departmental machine. He said that Linux was a waste of time and that if he wants better performance, he'd simply buy a newer more expensive computer. The reason why this makes him an idiot is because he's a grad student who makes even less money than I do, and I'm starving! Ultimately, windoze users who are not gamers or specialized developers are just plain and simple mental retards who can't type two keys on the bloody keyboard. As far as I'm concerned, they can have their stupid windoze with their stupid wireless connections, which I'll hack with kismet and use their routers to surf the web and upload pictures from gostse.cx to their "My Documents" folders using a netbios-backdoor.
 
Old 02-08-2005, 11:59 PM   #17
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I know this is off subject but another good interview with gates(note it is old).

http://www.cantrip.org/nobugs.html
 
Old 02-09-2005, 12:12 AM   #18
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POWER TO THE OPEN SOURCE PEOPLE!
 
Old 02-09-2005, 01:21 AM   #19
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Originally posted by hari_seldon99
Linux is already very user friendly. What it is NOT is that it is not idiot-proof. This explains why the bulk of windoze users are idiots. I just had a conversation with one such idiot who chided me for installing Debian on a departmental machine. He said that Linux was a waste of time and that if he wants better performance, he'd simply buy a newer more expensive computer. The reason why this makes him an idiot is because he's a grad student who makes even less money than I do, and I'm starving! Ultimately, windoze users who are not gamers or specialized developers are just plain and simple mental retards who can't type two keys on the bloody keyboard. As far as I'm concerned, they can have their stupid windoze with their stupid wireless connections, which I'll hack with kismet and use their routers to surf the web and upload pictures from gostse.cx to their "My Documents" folders using a netbios-backdoor.
Do you relize that you just called 90% of all computer users "mental retards"? Actually I think its quite the opposite -- linux is very idiot proof but its not user friendly. In windoze, all you gotta do to disable you system is delete something on the root drive like msconfig.sys or something. On linux its not quite that simple. To do something on linux is not "two keys", more like 500 keys alot of time. Which is fine for some people and horrible for others. And people use windoze for reasons other than cause they are "mental retarts." For example, my printer nor tv tuner card have ever worked under linux. So i use windoze to watch tv and print - does that mean i'm a retard? Hell no.

All I have left to say to you is think before you post cause that is a very ignorent statment to make.
 
Old 02-09-2005, 02:11 AM   #20
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I believe that Linux will be as easy or even easier then Windows, within the year of 2005. The main distros that makes me think this is Mandrake, Fedora and especially Xandrox.

But I don't think that Linux will make its way to the market yet. That's because not enough manufactures support Linux in their products. If Linux should go more mainstream they need more people makeing good software for them, more software and hardware that can support Linux without us Linux hackers having to fix this by ourselves. This will not happen this year, though. We will have to wait a little longer, I think.
 
Old 02-09-2005, 02:21 AM   #21
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I agree with you for the most part but I got some comments...

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I believe that Linux will be as easy or even easier then Windows, within the year of 2005.
I don't think in 05' but in the next couple of years i believe linux will make a "friendly leap."



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....especially Xandrox.
Don't you mean Xandros? lol


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But I don't think that Linux will make its way to the market yet. That's because not enough manufactures support Linux in their products. If Linux should go more mainstream they need more people makeing good software for them, more software and hardware that can support Linux without us Linux hackers having to fix this by ourselves. This will not happen this year, though. We will have to wait a little longer, I think.
Damn well put.
 
Old 02-09-2005, 02:28 AM   #22
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[B]Do you relize that you just called 90% of all computer users "mental retards"?
Yep! They're here, they're wierd, get used to it.

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Actually I think its quite the opposite -- linux is very idiot proof but its not user friendly.

Now you are talking semantics.

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In windoze, all you gotta do to disable you system is delete something on the root drive like msconfig.sys or something.

Huh??? Break out the prozac man! Can you turn off the netbios-ssn service? No, and don't give me all that Zone Alarm firewall+ "Disable File & print Charing" crap, because that what it is, crap. I just ran nessusd on a so-called-firewalled machine with file & print sharing "disabled" on the TCP/IP config dialog and one of the plugins managed to sneak backdoor thru the microsoft-ds/netbios-ssn ports right into the My-Documents folder of a user and look at all his pron pics.


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On linux its not quite that simple. To do something on linux is not "two keys", more like 500 keys alot of time.

Not if you write shell scripts, or use the sphinx engine to talk to your shell, like I do. I hardly even USE the keyboard anymore.


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Which is fine for some people and horrible for others.
Life is horrible. Anybody who says differently is selling something.

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And people use windoze for reasons other than cause they are "mental retarts." For example, my printer nor tv tuner card have ever worked under linux.
Mine never worked on windoze. My Hauppauge WINTV card was supposed to be "optimized" for windoze, but I couldn't even install the drivers manually. No probs in linux, though. TV cards are notorious for getting multiple driver versions released (often beta versions of poor
and buggy quality) then becoming unsupported by upgrades like service fake-2. The Linux drivers for most TV cards (even the fancy-shmancy HD ones) will always be better than the windows ones. The bttv drivers for the Brooktree chipset have been around for many years (or so I read on the bttv sf.net website). TV cards are really low-tech and it's hard to think up
new hardware features, so proprietary companies just don't support them for very long and
force people to buy new cards if they want to use it with a newer OS/computer. MythTV just rocks.


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So i use windoze to watch tv and print - does that mean i'm a retard? Hell no.
No, just unambitious. Dunno which is worse.

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ignorent statment to make.
I see that you are using a windoze spellchecker there.
 
Old 02-09-2005, 02:41 AM   #23
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Wow, flame war? :P
(hari_seldon99 vs. dick_onion53)
Hah, it's getting hot in here...

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don't you mean Xandros? lol
Yeah, spelled wrong, but shit the same. I still think that Xandros has almost gone over the line, it is almost as lameily (?) easy as Windows. Though, since it is running on the Linux kernel it HAS to be better then Windows, right? :P

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Old 02-09-2005, 03:00 AM   #24
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Well, Well hari_seldon99, I really didnt want to make this an argument but its not like i have anything else to do.


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Huh??? Break out the prozac man! Can you turn off the netbios-ssn service? No, and don't give me all that Zone Alarm firewall+ "Disable File & print Charing" crap, because that what it is, crap. I just ran nessusd on a so-called-firewalled machine with file & print sharing "disabled" on the TCP/IP config dialog and one of the plugins managed to sneak backdoor thru the microsoft-ds/netbios-ssn ports right into the My-Documents folder of a user and look at all his pron pics.
Say what you will, my ports are 100% stealth. And, no matter the o/s, you computer can get hacked. Linux gets hacked all the time as well as windows and mac. You should know that. No matter how hard it is, it WILL get hacked.

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Not if you write shell scripts, or use the sphinx engine to talk to your shell, like I do. I hardly even USE the keyboard anymore.
Well, according to you, everyone is an idiot, and most people don't know how to write a shell script.

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Life is horrible. Anybody who says differently is selling something.
LOL cant argue with you there.

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Mine never worked on windoze. My Hauppauge WINTV card was supposed to be "optimized" for windoze, but I couldn't even install the drivers manually.....
Don't give me this bullshit. I couldnt care less if you card works under linux. Mine doesnt. Its a PCTV Rave, its not some forgein piece of shit. It works fine under windoze.

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I see that you are using a windoze spellchecker there.
Were you using a Linux spell checker when you spelled "charing or pron?"
 
Old 02-09-2005, 03:09 AM   #25
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I'm all for a lively debate, but let's keep things civil here please, and avoid any personal attacks. Thanks -- J.W.
 
Old 02-09-2005, 03:21 AM   #26
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Originally posted by J.W.
I'm all for a lively debate, but let's keep things civil here please, and avoid any personal attacks. Thanks -- J.W.
No problem man.
 
Old 02-09-2005, 03:36 AM   #27
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Say what you will, my ports are 100% stealth. And, no matter the o/s, you computer can get hacked. Linux gets hacked all the time as well as windows and mac. You should know that. No matter how hard it is, it WILL get hacked.

Humbug! I'm behind 2 hardware firewalls, netfilter in my linux (configged with shorewall), snort, tripwire, and kmessage popups for any red flags. The chances of anyone digging thru all that are very very small (Not 0, but 100% security is a pipe dream, much like Quantum Computing). There is NO windoze box on the face of the good lord's green earth that has this much security (unless it's behind a linux router, and even then it can fall to trojans). Linux has a harder permission structure than windoze and so even if hacked, there's not much he an do unless you've been a lazy boy (girl?) and forgot to set cronjobs that security-update ur rpms or test ur paswds with John-The-Ripper.

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Well, according to you, everyone is an idiot, and most people don't know how to write a shell script.


Idiocy is curable (except in Republicans and the Bharatiya Janata Party., of course).





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Don't give me this bullshit.
Tsk,tsk. Such language!



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I couldnt care less if you card works under linux. Mine doesnt. Its a PCTV Rave, its not some forgein piece of shit. It works fine under windoze.


Well you're the one who brought it up pilgrim! Your implication in the last post was "Oh, dear me! My expensive white-collar TV-card doesn't work in Linux, so Windoze is holier than Christ, Muhammad, and The Lord Krishna!" Absurd!
One caveat for ALL linux users. RESEARCH YOUR HARDWARE BEFORE YOU BUY IT. I know it sucks ass, but blame it on the proprietary companies who don't release their chipset diagrams to the open-source developers. It's not the fault of linux at all. Linux developers are trying very hard to design drivers, but with little cooperation from the manufacturers, they have to take the hardware apart themselves (they also have to BUY it first, that costs MONEY), and often do a lot of reverse-engineering, no easy task. It takes TIME (example is all this business with the prism & broadcom chipsets in wireless B & G cards that typically have no native support & have to be used thru ndiswrapper for now). In the meantime, google ur hardware & find out what drivers work for it on linux and THEN buy the stuff. Compile the drivers in if necessary, find out what applis work best with the driver and off you go!


Don't run off to radioshack like a cross between a headless chicken and a yuppie and ask the chump behind the counter for a television card "thingamajiggie" . He'll invariable sell you what he's paid to sell you.



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Were you using a Linux spell checker when you spelled "charing or pron?"
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I'm not using any spellchecker, I'm talking. Sphinx is still beta-ish, but wait a few months. BTW, pron is a word, a quasi-euphemism for "porn", spelled that way to avoid filters. Don't believe me? Well, then don't. I won't die.
 
Old 02-09-2005, 03:39 AM   #28
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Oh, all right! Gloves back on! No more verbal duelling.
Man, and just when this day was turning interesting.
Nothing like a few good insults and jabs to spice up the night!
 
Old 02-09-2005, 04:21 AM   #29
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Well hari_seldon99, J.W. has order a cease fire. Lets call it a draw ah?
 
Old 02-09-2005, 04:27 AM   #30
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Yeah, can't piss off the Grand Moderator and High-Priest from the Holy Land of the Linuxquestions.org Webserver, or risk excommunication. Don't want to be a Galileo any more than the next bloke, I suppose.
 
  


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