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Old 10-31-2018, 09:45 AM   #16
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There isn't a distribution which gives current Red Hat users a Red Hat-like experience without systemd.

So, no, there aren't enough distributions; the world is short by at least one ;-)
 
Old 10-31-2018, 11:50 AM   #17
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Bryan Lunduke - Red Hat, IBM, & the Corporate Consolidation of Linux
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IBM is buying Red Hat. Two of the biggest contributors to the Linux kernel are becoming one, gigantic entity. What does this mean? What are the concerns and possible benefits?
 
Old 10-31-2018, 12:14 PM   #18
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There isn't a distribution which gives current Red Hat users a Red Hat-like experience without systemd. So, no, there aren't enough distributions; the world is short by at least one ;-)
The questions are whether there are enough people who want such a product and whether enough of them are developers capable of maintaining it. "CentOS without systemd" would be more of a complete fork than a derivative. The majority of users of CentOS are internet companies, computer companies, and universities: hardly the potential customers for a niche product. And yes, all systemd-less distros are niche products for (to use the politeest term) enthusiats.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 09:15 AM   #19
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Well, I can think of one big negative - if Microsoft feels this is a business threat such that they go back to their cold-war with Linux.
 
Old 11-05-2018, 05:10 AM   #20
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34 billion for Redhat is ALOT. Redhat has a revenue of about 2 billion and a profit of about 300 million per year. A modest valuation would put the value of Redhat at about 3 billion. A less moderate valuation of perhaps 5 billion.

So 34 billion is absolutely an offer they cannot decline. That's about 100x P/E.

Is this a good thing or bad thing? Well, IBM is not the worst IMO. Microsoft, Apple, Google etc, those are the worst.
 
Old 11-05-2018, 06:43 AM   #21
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A modest valuation would put the value of Redhat at about 3 billion. A less moderate valuation of perhaps 5 billion.
How did you estimate those figures?
It seems that Red Hat stock was at $116.68 when IBM initiated the purchase process. So the total valuation at NYSE was ~$20.51 billion.
IBM buys the stock at $190 (+63%) for a total amount of ~$34 billion.
But of course, stock can vary daily and "valuations" are very relative depending on what aspects you consider...
 
Old 11-05-2018, 07:23 AM   #22
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How did you estimate those figures?
It seems that Red Hat stock was at $116.68 when IBM initiated the purchase process. So the total valuation at NYSE was ~$20.51 billion.
IBM buys the stock at $190 (+63%) for a total amount of ~$34 billion.
But of course, stock can vary daily and "valuations" are very relative depending on what aspects you consider...
A P/E of 10 on a Mc/rev 1:1.

20 billion was a high valuation, and IBM's offer was good even compared with that.

My point is, the bid was a good bid, too good to reject.
 
Old 11-05-2018, 07:29 AM   #23
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20 billion was a high valuation, and IBM's offer was good even compared with that.
My point is, the bid was a good bid, too good to reject.
Definitely
 
Old 11-07-2018, 03:51 AM   #24
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Well, I can think of one big negative - if Microsoft feels this is a business threat such that they go back to their cold-war with Linux.
Not only do I think it's far too late for Microsoft to do that, even if they did, so what? MS cannot possibly dominate in the areas that Linux now dominates ie: Phones, Enterprise servers, embedded and super computers. Linux isn't likely to dominate on the Desktop any time soon although it continues to slowly grow. This is all exactly why MS wisely changed their tune recently and it's not going to change greatly, quickly.

As for IBM taking over Redhat, I suspect that the good will outweigh the bad and I wish them good fortune with it. I find it ironic that Steve Jobs saw IBM as Big Brother (though I can see why just from appearances) but Microsoft behaved far more like Big Brother than IBM ever dreamed but that Business Plan has largely seen it's day. It's a new Jungle out there folks and the Old Guard is struggling to adapt.
 
  


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