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Old 05-09-2006, 10:51 AM   #46
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I don't agree with the notion that "everything will be the net." That's the pipe-dream of the cable-TV industry .. where you pay by-the-month forever. In the real world, businesses know to keep their businesses to themselves.

I don't really fault Microsoft for succeeding in the niche that they helped to create .. but I also realize that this niche is changing once more... and that when such changes happen they don't change back.

You're right to say that Microsoft's two products are Windows and Office. And that is not enough anymore. The company is, in fact, in a world of hurt.
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Ya know, that kinda makes me think. We come out with an idea and immedietly want to make a patent of it so we can become rich. Then we'll come to find that the guy b4 us already got the patent and we're pissed off.
That's my view of M$. Gates came up with an idea and took a patent on it, disallowing any altering of his os.

Then there's the people who come out with an idea, see if anyone has come up with it, and make the idea theirs if it hasn't. They don't care what people do with it, they just want to be good people, and provide it for minimal to no cost.
That's my view of linux. It's got patents on it. In the end the ones that are sold and not able to be downloaded, are the ones that usually suck the most.

I have to agree with that last post. Windows is one hell of an os. It's M$ that people really seem to hate. They just find it easier to take out on Windows and Bill Gates.
If someone were to make an os such as lindows and distribute it for free, adding more of the add/remove programs feel to synaptic. I think there would be potential to make a new alternative to windows, mac, and linux altogether.

My opinion of a perfect os would be a linux type system with the installation of specific packages such as fedora core. They ability to choose a native enviroment that can be changed from a settings menu to look like gnome/kde/windows. Run ALL programs, Fedora/Debian/Suse/Windows/Mac/etc natively. And most importantly, use that whole spirit of Ubuntu thing. Distribute it with all computers. Mabey offer it free to anyone who buys a computer with a nice booklet to help users figure it all out.

And Let It Be Free!!!

Although this post went from being a reply to a whole other topic. I'm going to reply to that topic.

It can't happen because the vendors aren't willing to lose money because alternatives will be found. Too many options to each and every paid program will be found by most users, and really piss off all the rich program vendors. They'll most surely combine forces to fight us, and we'll be the ones that need to be ready first in order to have a chance.

But that'll be when we know the distro orginizations need to combine and fight back.

Won't that be like a revolution?

"...mine is the lust for freedom. Throughout history, the deadliest 'mental disorder' ever seen. 9 out of 10 governments agree."
Are u talking of Ubuntu??
The OS u desired has arrived he he..
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Billy is not crooked. Its the other baldy - I do not recall his name. Personally I think billy has just behaved normally like other dropout kids. No big deal. But this baldy is one ?##$%##@.
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Hmmmmm. Okay, kids, let's back up a bit. First, DOS just means Disk Operating System, and it was around long before personal computers made their very first appearance. Big companies often ran under a DOS.

There were many different DOS OS's, once small pc's first arrived, too. I used a few of them, some on a TRS Model 1 (Radio Shack sold them). Some very big companies bought these, for diverse reasons, but only a few were used by anyone other than a hobbyist.

As to MS... B Gates was nothing until IBM decided to put out its first personal (instead of mainframe, mini, or super) computers. IBM needed a DOS for their machine, and their machine was quite different from the others out there. So, B Gates got hold of CP/M from its inventor -- bought all rights to it, then turned around and LICENSED his tweak of it to IBM.

At this point, many corporations suddenly wanted IBM PCs (now that IBM was making these boxes, they were suddenly not just for hobbyists or cutting edge types any more). And DOS was always along for the ride.

Initially, the apps were terrible. There were no drivers -- we wrote our own printer drivers (or embedded escape codes in our text files to communicate with the printer). Even I, working for a marketing research group as an 'end user programmer,' wrote a program that wrote lines to drive a plotter according to what the marketer wanted to see.

Meanwhile, out in a lab owned by Xerox, some very clever engineers had built a GUI. Guess who heard about it and requested a tour of their lab? The engineers begged the company not to give it away, but the company execs said, 'What do engineers know?' and so the tour went forward. Then Mac, followed by Windows 95, incorporated everything those engineers had developed, into their own new systems.

MS apps were still terrible (I could cite chapter and verse, but let's keep this short), but corporation top managers voted for having things all the same instead of having them good. All the same usually meant whatever app MS had just bought.

And so on... Just a bit of actual history for y'all, instead of all this stuff floating around in this thread (contributed by someone who lived through it).
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I agree that we provide better suppor than M$. M$ and its spyware is just another way of controlling people. People need to understand and take control of the OS without M$ Spying on people. M$ is extremely scared about losing business. M$ currently costs just 199 to upgrade the os and 329 just to upgrade the office suite. If a company of 20 computers were to upgrade all of the Desktops that would have to pay. 10,000 dollars just upgrade and 16,000 dollars to do it all over from scratch (which most do). This not including the ridiculous liscencing they charge for servers and connection liscences. No wonder microsoft is so scared by losing 200 computers they lose 160,000 dollars in just software alone (os and office). M$ is ridiculous


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