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Gyf þū well sprece, wyrc æfter swā.[/QUOTE] Goumba! What's this?! An bhfuil Gaeilge agat ??? ( A very good suggestion, btw; lack of on-topic focus and senile drift runs rampant on LQ.... but I attribute most of it to the elevated IQ on LQ, mais oui? ) |
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It seems to me, if I remember correctly, that Linux started out as a kinda 'do it yourself' project. The main draw then was how you could make your OS the way you wanted it to be, not the way M$ wanted it to be.
Now a days, people don't wanna mess around with a million configurations. They want a reliable, stable OS that is easy to maintain. This is directly because M$ is so widely distributed and most people have been exposed to it. AND they like that! I expect that today anyone coming from M$ will either say "%%^&**&%#" it and go back to M$ just for these reasons. Some of us will stick with it just because we're stubborn. Personally, I don't find it all the difficult. I know where to go for help. all I have to do is be patient and an answer will come along. The main point this noob is trying to make is that Linux will fail in the user department if it does not get easier to setup and maintain! I like to lurk at #LinuxMint-help and the two things I see most are nvidia card and wifi setup problems. |
I find Windows too difficult for me - but Linux is very straight-forward to set up.
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Saxon. What are the odds? Well, I suppose it's auld Angle, sha? Pity no one speaks it any more, I like where it went eventually... and William S. turned it into an art form, no? The manner I employed to address the off-topic drifters was from the heart, actually; whilst some of the "drifters" here may just need meds, I have found a significant percentage of LQ'ers to be astonishingly intelligent, possessed of stellar communications skills, and actually able to focus on the question-at-hand, at least most of the time. Bemusing, the difference between one who presents their stance with the self-confidence imbued by proficiency and experience and... the others. Reading twixt the lines, I judge ye to be of the former category. Thank you kindly, I look forward to more cool oases in the Dumbeddown Desert. |
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Unless.... hmmmm.... for the umpteenth time I find myself reminded of a gig as night auditor at a hotel many years ago, back when interpreting the data and compiling the report was deep juju. Chatting with the senior auditor (whom I had learned was moving on, and was not training a partner but a replacement), I confided that I had reduced the paperwork to 1/2 its original convoluted, cumbersome crapness and could perform the "6-hour" audit in less than 2 hours. His reply has stayed with me all these years: " Don't make it look too easy, or they won't need YOU any more." A fine treatise on this sick, self-centered mentality that ushers in the current state of affairs in GB, Amerika, et al is in Michael Korda's book, "Power", the tenets of which have also ensconced themselves in the darker corners of my mind. How do we keep this from happening, and reverse the effects to date, in Linuxworld? |
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I still remember the flavour of your first post to one of my plaintive cries; equally succinct, equally brash, and precipitating that same nagging feeling that there are people out there who calmly zen their way through this mad quagmire with ease... not, as they would be the first to insist, by dint of superior intelligence, but simply because they accept Linux, eschew Windows, and find their journey to be comfortable enough. I salute your stand for sanity. I envy your position, of which you seem so assured. But I despair, feeling it is too late for those of us who have been infected with the mouse-virus, that we can never achieve that same perspective that dangles like an ethereal carrot before our hungered eyes when you say stuff like that. Could it be.... truth? Course correction....... say, J, how long you been a Linux man, anyway? Like... forever? |
My Linux only use would be about 5 or 6 years.
But I've never liked any of the Microsoft stuff which I was forced to use at work. The big secret (for me) is to use a decent GUI where it is most convenient, but use the CLI for repetitive tasks or where the GUI fails. I'd suggest LMDE (a rolling update version of Mint, based on Debian) as a straightforward distro. |
Ahhhh, that brings me some perspective... I dropped off-grid about 5 or 6 years ago, at which time I was a stone-cold Linux lover, having jumped on my Gnu and never looked back. Except to play MS games. Never could get WINE up-to-snuff.
So while it has been drifting back to CLI, I myself (being merely adrift) have missed out on the course change and now find myself facing that which deterred me (and many MS victims) from getting into Linux in the first place... while YOU, probably still in your youth and possessed of a sponge-like mind, have executed a fine tour of Linux starting at Mouse Point and gently sailing with the wind into The Return to Console Island. This is the problem with old age, my venerable comrade... one can recall the names and faces of nearly everyone in their high-school graduation class, but nearly none of the names and faces at the grocery store one has utilised for the last six months. I could dive back into DOS and feel almost-at-home; I can still THINK in several forms of BASIC, and COBOL, which makes programming in same a mere exercise in referencing the syntax manual. But the thought of having to learn a new set of console commands (well, most of them new anyway) fills me with a dread akin to seeing the BloodMobile in front of my house. ( I am extremely needle-shy. Blood and gore are okay, but that sterile stainless needle EEEEYYYyyyyyyaahhhhhhhhhh!!!) Since my respect for you rivals that which I feel for my own alter-ego, I am off to investigate LMDE; I am trusting you, Jeremy, don't dash my hopes and dreams as callously as I did that last ex-wife's. And oh, btw... I have Puppy and 12.04.1 VM'd in Winblows, how tough is it to free them from their prisons, give them their own partitions as I understand it; and will they run better/faster? Thanx, mon guru. |
Jeremy, here's what the first page of https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php has to say about their product:
" LMDE is less mainstream than Linux Mint, it has a much smaller user base, it is not compatible with PPAs, and it lacks a few features. That makes it a bit harder to use and harder to find help for, so it is not recommended for novice users. LMDE is however slightly faster than Linux Mint and it runs newer packages. Life on the LMDE side can be exciting. There are no point releases in LMDE 2, except for bug fixes and security fixes base packages stay the same, but Mint and desktop components are updated continuously. When ready, newly developed features get directly into LMDE 2, whereas they are staged for inclusion on the next upcoming Linux Mint 17.x point release. Consequently, Linux Mint users only run new features when a new point release comes out and they opt-in to upgrade to it. LMDE 2 users don’t have that choice, but they also don’t have to wait for new packages to mature and they usually get to run them first. It’s more risky, but more exciting." They unsold me right off the bat. A trepidacious, timorous turkey like me needs LESS excitement and risk. I want my GNU back. Maybe I'll try that approach. Cautiously. Like the pansy-I-amsy. |
Because LMDE is based on Debian, it is super-stable!
I use it on my main PC and I've never encountered even a slight buglet! I find it's much more straightforward (with the Cinnamon DE) than Ubuntu. Quite amusing about that youthful bit! I started out with FORTRAN, COBOL (on punched cards), then PL/1 followed by RPG I was in my 50's before I even tipped my toes in the Linux water. First tried Mandrake/Mandriva on a dual boot set-up. This was rather unstable. Tried Ubuntu, but they kept mucking about with the DE; final straw was Unity. So I tried Mint - which is still very good; but its not a rolling release so major upgrades require a complete re-install. LMDE is no harder to install or use than Mint but it is a rolling release. Do give it a try. |
Jeremy Boden: Did you start writing the column yet? I took a look a couple of times, but did not see it.
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I think he's confused, in that he thinks you're jeremy who runs the site.
Gents, jeremy asked for feedback on his column, could we kindly keep this one on topic, rather than commenting on Linux or distributions, etc.? I myself am interested to see the ideas that come up as well. |
I've already asked once for this thread to stay on topic. I just posted the second article to the new column.
https://opensource.com/business/16/9...et-programmers If there's interest, I can also post the content here to LQ. Thanks to @josephj for the suggestion, I've updated your account to Contributing Member. Keep the feedback coming. --jeremy |
Smell that coffee !
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I totally relate to this, from BOTH points of view. I was computer-savvy when I made the switch to a mousy-GUI Linux, and found the transition fairly easy. Now, having been away from civilisation for quite some time, I have returned to find that I am only moderately computer-savvy (and that only when compared to the illiterate dumbed-downs my kids' generation produced); Linux has circled back to being command-driven, and I often feel much like an 80s noob trying to comprehend DOS (again). The orientation of ex-savvies will bolster their failing spirits when confronted with the new paradigm; if they did it before, they can do it again. I'd wager the bulk of non-technical people, however, will take one look at the current Linux madhouse and head straight back to Winblows. I started a blog on LQ, "Linux 001", for newbies, non-techs, and returning warriors aghast at the mess, like myself. It would certainly turn into a book, or at least a manual, for us determined morons who cling to the belief that Linux is the last great hope for cybermankind, and that the pains taken to repatriate ourselves will all be worth it some day. |
Bad links in 5610128 not tooooo bad.....
[QUOTE=goumba;5610128]................. (links) >> How to become a hacker
Getting started in system administration - As a Linux user, you are the administrator! [endQUOTE] That first one is false advertising, but brill ! The site is actually a verbose-but-Buckleyesque historical treatise on the hacker language and culture; unimpeachable, fascinating, from someone who knows their stuff! That second one looked worthwhile, but I am only getting a "page not found" error. {8--( Goumba rules. |
I've posted the latest column to LQ. Keep the feedback for future entries coming.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ct-4175590677/ --jeremy |
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I think the problem is in one way round that people doesn't know the other people who work on this what could be sorted and solved by a thread like this but the other guys that develop some more secured Hardware will ever get in with new ways to make it safer and they will, by doing this ever, keep lots of poeple out, as they trust them not. This will create ever the problems above and worse. I think only about EFI for example. But I wish it gets sorted as it is today. |
Being a newbie how can I contribute to Open Source projects?
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That said, I do believe opensource.com has an article on that very topic in the pipeline, so stay tuned Ach Shah. |
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I disagree with myself as well. Actually a great question for this thread, and one that people ask a lot. Didn't see the other page before I replied. |
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Thank you for your suggestion @ notKlaatu.
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Probably not the first topic you would like to do but definitely something that should be covered - building and complex programs in Linux. Especially in C++ and visibility of builds (a la Electric Cloud or IncrediBuild)
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I'd suggest http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2016/1...e-115-is-here/, a mainly Ubuntu based open source magazine which appears monthly.
Content is mainly supplied by its readers. It includes a bit of command line, a lot of GUI and some hardware interface stuff. I've suggested issue 115, but issues 001-114 are also available. :cool: |
Small Business Sofware
If you are still open for suggestions, I would like to ask - What are some small business open source applications that replace popular applications on Windows. For example: Microsoft Office replaced by Libre Office, etc.
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open source
The “open source” label was created at a strategy session held on February 3rd, 1998 in Palo Alto, California.
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If you are still open for suggestions, I would like to ask - What are some small business open source applications that replace popular applications on Windows. For example: Microsoft Office etc.
Thank you! |
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But I have used: - Libre Office (originally OpenOffice.org); - Inkscape; - GIMP (slowly being replaced by Krita); - Kmail (later replaced by Claws Mail after one Akonadi failure too many); - dosemu (to run a POS (point of sale) system - the one bit of software I needed for which I couldn't find a working, GPLed, Linux alternative); - Gwenview; - Okular; - possibly others I can't remember. Hope that helps. |
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