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Old 02-16-2017, 11:10 PM   #16
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You are right Turbocapitalist...I fully agree with your views...general public is not concerned with this subtle difference between 'Free' and 'Open' software...My interaction with them so far has found that people like FOSS as more acceptable term rather than exclusive terms like Free or Open software...anyways very good input for me...this will definitely help in my research work and I would cover this differentiation between two in detail when I write my thesis...Thanks for taking the survey and sparing your valuable time...
It sounds like an interesting thesis. I hope that it will be published were we can read it? Bonus if your college or university supports openaccess publishing!

About views, my view is that some of the public is not aware of the difference or the context, also that OSS and FS are wrongly used interchangeably. I let an opinion slip in there ("... this proprietary software *!@#$%^& is ...") which distracted from the historical facts:
  • The name "Open Source" is rather new
  • It is a superset of Free Software, which precedes it
  • The name "Free Software" goes back to the early 1980's
  • The documented status quo prior to that, going back to the dawn of computing, has been that the source is available.
  • Taken in historical context, proprietary software is still an anomaly.

For some additional context you might look into the early days of BSD, prior to the ATT lawsuit, not the recent stuff, for more comparisons. Also, if you have archives available, you might take brief look at general market computer magazines from the 1980's and early 1990's to see that indeed, the source code was available and the expected norm. However, the old magazines are really, really, really hard to get a hold of in most countries and states/provinces.

Best of luck moving forward and in avoiding the embedded M$ sales teams that lurk at institutions of higher learning to cause trouble these days.
 
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:27 AM   #17
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It rocks!

Survey was quick and easy...
Quote:
A doctor, a civil engineer and a programmer are discussing whose profession is the oldest.
“Surely medicine is the oldest profession,” says the doctor. “God took a rib from Adam and created Eve and if this isn’t medicine I’ll be…”
The civil engineer breaks in:
“But before that He created the heavens and the earth from chaos. Now that’s civil engineering to me.”
The programmer thinks a bit and then says:
“And who do you think created chaos?”
have fun!
 
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:44 AM   #18
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From this point:
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Please rate performance of open source software with respect to following (on a scale of 0 to 6)
the survey itself is meaningless. The real criteria/reason to choose free/open source/stolen/paid/whatever software are not covered.
the questions like above is simply wrong, there is no real relation between "open sourceness" and "ease of use/look and feel/reliability/security/vulnerability/stability/whatever"
 
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:09 AM   #19
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+1 &c https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Ge...Public_License
 
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:00 PM   #20
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I took the survey last night. I have no issues with it.
Gr8 Frankbell...Thanks a lot for completing the survey...
 
Old 02-17-2017, 12:08 PM   #21
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+1 &c
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Gr8
Hi people,

Let's avoid going too far using sms text:
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In addition, we recommend you avoid sms/l33t speak in the technical fora. Avoiding sms/l33t speak will improve question clarity and increase the chance of receiving a helpful response.
Sameer,

It would be interesting for you to update this thread in the future when you have collected your data and completed your report for your instructor. People will certainly be interested in your data and conclusions you derive from it.

Jamison,

The joke was cute!

Best Regards,

- RT
 
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:11 PM   #22
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Thanks for your input...
 
Old 02-17-2017, 12:17 PM   #23
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Hi people,

Let's avoid going too far using sms text:Sameer,

It would be interesting for you to update this thread in the future when you have collected your data and completed your report for your instructor. People will certainly be interested in your data and conclusions you derive from it.

Jamison,

The joke was cute!

Best Regards,

- RT
Sure...have noted your suggestion about SMS text...I will try to update this thread once I conclude my work...Request you too to take the survey and give your frank opinion especially in the developer's section...

Thanks and regards
Sameer Gupta
 
Old 02-17-2017, 12:23 PM   #24
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I filled in the survey (though it would not accept my usename*) and am glad because it reminds me that I've been using and developing** open source softwaare since I was about 6 yuears old.


*I am teasing but there is a great article somewhere on the internet about things one ought not to assume about a person's name.

**We used to trade various BASIC programs in school, when I got my CPC 464 I'd use listings from magazines and I've been messing with snippets of code for a while now. Sadly I'm not a developer but I feel happy about my meagre efforts now.

Edit: I didn't label myself as a developer in the survey as I I haven't contributed anything to the world code-wise. I was just glad to be reminded that my attitude is free.

Last edited by 273; 02-17-2017 at 12:33 PM.
 
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:25 PM   #25
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From this point:

the survey itself is meaningless. The real criteria/reason to choose free/open source/stolen/paid/whatever software are not covered.
the questions like above is simply wrong, there is no real relation between "open sourceness" and "ease of use/look and feel/reliability/security/vulnerability/stability/whatever"

pan64

I appreciate your views...As far as options to rate performance of open source (in survey) is concerned, survey has tried to capture the user's perspective...could you please elaborate the 'real criteria/reason to choose free/open source' so that I can try to cover those points some where in my work.

Thanks

Sameer Gupta
 
Old 02-17-2017, 12:30 PM   #26
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I filled in the survey (though it would not accept my usename*) and am glad because it reminds me that I've been using and developing** open source softwaare since I was about 6 yuears old.


*I am teasing but there is a great article somewhere on the internet about things one ought not to assume about a person's name.

**We used to trade various BASIC programs in school, when I got my CPC 464 I'd use listings from magazines and I've been messing with snippets of code for a while now. Sadly I'm not a developer but I feel happy about my meagre efforts now.

273
Thanks for taking survey...Glad to know that you are in this field since very eary age...
 
Old 02-17-2017, 12:32 PM   #27
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It rocks!

Survey was quick and easy... have fun!

Thanks jamison20000e
 
Old 02-17-2017, 12:42 PM   #28
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273
Thanks for taking survey...Glad to know that you are in this field since very eary age...
I've not helped much, certainly don't expect anything I "coded" to be in use but I feel that all information ought to be free from tips about how to make shampoo last longer to how to make an OS.
 
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:56 PM   #29
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It sounds like an interesting thesis. I hope that it will be published were we can read it? Bonus if your college or university supports openaccess publishing!

About views, my view is that some of the public is not aware of the difference or the context, also that OSS and FS are wrongly used interchangeably. I let an opinion slip in there ("... this proprietary software *!@#$%^& is ...") which distracted from the historical facts:
  • The name "Open Source" is rather new
  • It is a superset of Free Software, which precedes it
  • The name "Free Software" goes back to the early 1980's
  • The documented status quo prior to that, going back to the dawn of computing, has been that the source is available.
  • Taken in historical context, proprietary software is still an anomaly.

For some additional context you might look into the early days of BSD, prior to the ATT lawsuit, not the recent stuff, for more comparisons. Also, if you have archives available, you might take brief look at general market computer magazines from the 1980's and early 1990's to see that indeed, the source code was available and the expected norm. However, the old magazines are really, really, really hard to get a hold of in most countries and states/provinces.

Best of luck moving forward and in avoiding the embedded M$ sales teams that lurk at institutions of higher learning to cause trouble these days.
Turbocapitalist
Thanks for your elaborate observations...I have tried to dig information since 1968 IBM antitrust suit which can be assumed as a beginning of un-bundling of software from hardware and hence the free source...but I could not find information on how and exactly when the proprietary software started spreading its hold over software market...I really like the philosophy of free software “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer” (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html)...

Could you explain little more about your last point in above post "Taken in historical context, proprietary software is still an anomaly" I could not understand your view point or rather I missed it...

You really gave valuable inputs to me...thanks a lot again for sparing your valuable time...

Thanks & regards
Sameer Gupta
 
Old 02-17-2017, 01:02 PM   #30
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I've not helped much, certainly don't expect anything I "coded" to be in use but I feel that all information ought to be free from tips about how to make shampoo last longer to how to make an OS.
you seems to be die hard fan of Free software
 
  


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